Discussion in 'Pistons and NBA' started by roscoe36, Mar 18, 2017.
Setting the tone early.
bbills has it right - Ish and Baynes.
I want to nominate Marcus Morris. As ridiculous as Reggie and Drummond are and as soft as Tobias and Leuer are, we often get forget about how solid Morris is. If you really watch the games the man who hits the toughest shots in the middle of the games is Morris. He also never backs down from anyone. Although, I may not have personally seen the Bad Boys in action; I would argue he wouldn't be too soft to play in that era, maybe a strong contributor off the bench. How would a Chauncey/Rip/Morris/Sheed/Ben team have faired in the 04/05 finals?
They would've sucked. Tay in his prime was a player lightyears ahead of where Morris can ever hope to be. Going back to the original question of the thread, who is mentally tough, I think we are getting sidetracked. Playing hard etc isn't being mentally tough. The question is, who responds when the going gets tough? If we are getting our butts kicked, who is the one that keeps fighting and tries to keep it going, claw back into the game? In that sense, almost our entire starting squad just folds when things don't go well. The only players I see that step up their game in tough situations are: Ish, KCP, Harris, Baynes. Those are your mentally tough players on the team.
He plays hard but I'd say KCP is one of the most mentally fragile guys on the team. A couple of missed shots and he's bricking or MIA for a week.
Statistically, they are exactly the same player (14 points, 5 rebounds, 2.5 assists, 1 three-pointer, similar percentages, etc.). Tay never carried a team. He was a "glue guy" by the definition. He was the 5th option out of 5 on offense. His taysolation offense brought the entire building to sleep. I liked Tay, but I don't see him that much different than Morris.
How about a Chauncey/RIP/Grant Hill/Sheed/Ben team?
I call him The RIP.
Yes. He is The RIP. My bad (typo).
Blake was tough enough for the entire Eastern Conference. He's got the same DNA as Ronnie Lott, who once told a trainer to amputate so he could get back into the game. "Le Rip"
So again, a team of Chauncey/Rip/Grant Hill/Sheed/Ben would have won just one championship, more than one or maybe none?
Tay was both a good one on one defender and a fantastic team defender. He rarely missed rotations. Morris is a chest bump defender. He will get in your face a lot and show of his muscle, but it doesn't translate into missed shots. I'd argue offensively, Morris is superior. He is very solid in the post and shoots 3's pretty well. I'm going to leave the above in red there. I assumed Morris was better on offense. But that isn't true. They shoot virtually identically from the 3 point over career numbers (around 35%) but Tay hit a better 2p% (.455/.428) and and higher FT% (.756/.717). Overall it isn't even close. Tay in 2004-05 had 9 Win-Shares, 5.4 offensive and 4 defensive. Marcus has never had more than 3 win shares. He also wasn't the 5th option on offense. His usage was 18.8%.
Tay in his prime >>>> Morris >>>> Buffoonery Tay
But who had the larger suitcase?
Tay in his prime was really good. I remember the series against the Sixers where he kept owning them in the post. He was an opportunistic shotblocker too. Morris has a smoother midrange game, but Tay was more versatile. His freakish length bothered a lot of people on defense.
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