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  1. doublead

    doublead First Round Draft Pick

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    billups -player option
    dyess -player option
    murray -player option
    delfino -team option
    davis -free agent

    who do you think will be gone or who will return
     
  2. coynejeremy

    coynejeremy All-Star Administrator 1x Fantasy Champion Forum Donor

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    billups -methinks he will be gone (gasp!)
    dice -i think he'll stay, but i thought ben would retire here
    murray -we gotta see how much he plays and how he does
    delfino -ditto
    davis -was he even on the team last year? (wipe dripping sarcasm)
     
  3. roscoe36

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    Murray doesn't have an option I believe.

    [pre]
    Detroit Pistons Date # of total
    Player signed years salary misc FA
    Kelvin Cato ........... 9/23/97,10/28/99 3+6 $3.4 mill+ 42 mill '06
    Tony Delk ............. 3/1/06 1 minimum '06
    Chauncey Billups ...... 7/17/02 6 $33.7 million p-opt '07
    Dale Davis ............ 8/23/05 2 $7 million '07
    Ronald Dupree ......... 7/18/06 2 minimum p-opt '07
    Antonio McDyess ....... 7/14/04 4 $22.5 million p-opt '07
    Carlos Delfino ........ 7/14/04 4 $4,776,941 rc t-opt '08
    Richard Hamilton ...... 8/12/03 7 $62 million p-opt '08
    Lindsey Hunter ........ 7/18/06 2 $4.5 million '08
    Ronald Murray ......... 7/18/06 2 $3.5 million '08
    Jason Maxiell ......... 7/7/05 4 $4,798,012 rc t-opt '08+09
    Rasheed Wallace ....... 7/22/04 5 $60 million '09
    Nazr Mohammed ......... 7/12/06 5 $31 million t-opt '11
    Tayshaun Prince ....... 9/2/02,10/31/05 4+5 $4,541,153+$48 mill '11
    Amir Johnson .......... 8/11/05 ?? ??? '??

    (ext) = the previous contract was extended on that date
    rc = rookie contract, 1st round picks from 1995 and on are signed to 3
    year contracts at a set range, with for picks from 1998 and on with a
    4th year at the team's option
    p-opt = player opt-out (player has the option to become a free agent) [the
    year after p-opt is the year the player would be a free agent if he
    opts out]
    xp-opt = player opted-out (player is free agent and rest of contract void)
    t-opt = team option year(s) (if team chooses, player will be under
    contract for another year) [the year after t-opt is the year the player
    would be a free agent if the option is picked up]
    xt-opt = team didn't pick up option year
    x-opt = performance based option year(s) (if the player achieves certain
    statistical criteria, option year becomes guaranteed)
    p&t-opt = mutual option (I guess both the player and team have to agree
    to the extra year)
    FA = year player becomes a free agent (year = summer of) [Note: For
    players who have less than 3 years of experience (most noteably,
    rookies), the players are restricted free agents - their team can match
    any offer made to the player. 1st round draft picks who have completed
    the 4th year of their rookie contract are also restricted free agents.]
    r = restricted free agent (qualifying offer has been extended)[/pre] From Patricia's
    http://www.nationwide.net/~patricia//contracts
     
  4. Superstarov

    Superstarov First Round Draft Pick

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    billups -He'll want MVP type dollars... see ya.

    dyess -He'll want to leave to go to a contender.

    delfino -After Dyess and CBill leave, they'll keep Delfino as a sign that the franchise is committed to rebuilding around its youth.

    davis -Gone. Retiring or signing with the Pacers again.
     
  5. Hobbs

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    Murray has a player option.

    I wouldn't be surprised much if all of them are gone.
     
  6. himat

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    I have no idea.
     
  7. BillLaimbeer

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    Do you have a link to that fact? Everything I could find says that Murray signed a 2-year deal, but I couldn't find anything that said there was a player option.
     
  8. Hobbs

    Hobbs First Round Draft Pick

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    Again, I don't keep articles so I don't have something to point you too, but Hoopshype shows the option year on their Detroit salaries page.

    I was pretty surprised when I heard we gave him an option, but it makes sense from his perspective because he thinks he's underpaid (he's overpaid, but that's a different thread...).
     
  9. BillLaimbeer

    BillLaimbeer All-Star 4x Fantasy Champion Forum Donor

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    Thanks. Do you think the Hoopshype info is correct? They don't even have Tay's contract from last summer updated yet.
     
  10. Hobbs

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    They don't have the exact numbers for Tay's contract so they didn't guess, but they have the years.

    And, yes, I think it's correct. That isn't the place I heard about the option initially (can't remember where that was but it wasn't Hoopshype).
     
  11. aurora

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    A sad commentary on how different the prognosis is for the Pistons after the 2005-6 season. I really thought the Pistons had a window for an NBA title that would last another 2-3 years, maybe even longer. I realize Dice might not have that long to wait for it to come around again.

    It's sad to think that if Dice really wants a ring he might need to leave the Pistons. Who would have thunk it: that Detroit wouldn't be as good a bet as anyone to win another title soon? I still think our team can do it, but their sense of urgency, their drive and their desire to prove they can do it (like Joe said) seem to be hanging in the balance now.

    Time will tell. I'd love to see McDyess get a ring before he retires. With the Pistons.:nod::fingerscr
     
  12. Superstarov

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    Yeah, it felt wrong to even type that. But if Chauncey leaves for MVP type $'s somewhere else, I can almost gaurantee Dyess will be somewhere else as well.
     
  13. 16 Mile

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    Unfortunately, have to believe Billups and Dice are gone. Joe will have to overpay Delfino (whom I like, but I think his nitch in the NBA is as pretty good career 6th man, we'll end up paying him like a starter) just to keep some talent on the team.

    Flip, Super Dupe, Davis, and Lindsey, will definately be gone. And depending how the season ends, I wouldn't be suprised if Sheed is traded. And JMax won't be resigned.

    Which leaves, going into next year, a lot of 2's and 3's, and Nazr. Now that I think about it, Joe will have to trade Rip or Delfino (whoever he can get equal value for), just to get either a pg or power forward.
     
  14. roscoe36

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    I'm pretty sure Hoopshype is wrong. Ronald Dupree has a second year player option.

    Not Flip Murray.
     
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    OMG 16 Mile! What a bleak outlook! If I believed all of the above was going to happen I don't know that I could go through the torture of watching them this season. I'd have to jump teams rather than witness all that. Maybe if it happened one manageable dose at a team. :scared:
     
  16. BillLaimbeer

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    I don't believe McDyess will find a gig more to his liking than in Detroit. If the Pistons want him back, he'll sign on the dotted line.

    Unless the Pistons have a bad season and he jumps to the Nuggets, I think Billups will sign a long-term deal with Detroit as well.
     
  17. jammertime

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    Nice discussion thread (although depressing).

    I was just about to start a new thread with a similar question, but then I saw this one, so I'll just post my Q in here.

    My question is, which Pistons will be gone DURING this season?

    If the team starts out poorly, how long will Joe D stand pat? IMO, it won't be long. Flip is already on a short leash and his replacement(s) are already in place.

    But seeing as he struck out big time this past offseason, will Joe try to over compensate or panic and pull the trigger on a blockbuster to shake up the team?

    Will he pull another "Sheed" type steal out of his bag of tricks and catapult the Pistons right back into title contention and the class of the East?

    Will he tinker?

    Will he stand pat and just wait for Flip to fail?
     
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    It has a lot to do with Joe's level of patience... he's put out the ultimatum that any players not playing with the desired intensity (urgency) will be shipped out.
    He will need to show some early restraint if Flip makes a commitment to youth development in case these kids don't show immediate production.

    Chauncey's contract status makes him a prime candidate for being traded... Joe will not want to come up empty again this summer... someone will overpay for his services.
    Sheed is also on the short leash... he has the "injury" to fall back on for now but when healthy he was often dogging it on defense (not getting back... not going for rejections etc).
    Tay and Rip still have more upside (just look at Rip improvement from long range).

    What is intriguing is the level of retooling Joe is willing to explore.
    If Joe wanted to he could quickly go into a rebuild mode by trading Sheed for an expiring contract... this would free up substantial cap for next year (if Chauncey didn't re-sign) to pursue FA's etc.
    Joe will likely not get that aggressive until the playoffs are over so he can gage the current rosters ability to reach the finals....
    In retrospect not re-signing Ben has left Joe's options wide open for next year.
     
  19. Mad Hatter

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    My money's on Delfino. Does Cato count if we don't re-sign him?

    As long as we're voting, I propose packaging Sheed and anybody not named Dice, Tay, Rip, Chauncy, or "Orlando pick" for KG. If we're gonna rebuild, might as well do it around a bona-fide stud!
     
  20. hack

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    It should be apparent soon enough into the regular season which players are hungry and which won't ever be again. The bright side of last season's disaster is that Joe will have seemingly plenty of options next summer.
     

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