If you consider me part of 'those rumblings' so be it. I just mentioned that I was surprised that with Phoenix driving to the basket at will and our players were casually standing around while the Suns were shooting three pointers, I was surprised that our shot blocker was not in for a little try. If he does not get in during situations that put him in a good chance to do well, when will he be used? We went back to last year's use of Ben for 44 minutes and only three bigs played all the minutes. I mentioned that if he is to play with the rookies, at least play Dale a little because only the rookies, Darko and Dale did not play. If that is the cause for this thread, sorry, but what I said is how I feel. I do not feel that there are not enough choices in the basic premise of this thread. There should be at least one more indicating that the "Team should be given the opportunity to get familiar with the new offense, not just the starters", BUT that winning is still more important. Just not, winning at all costs. Do we give up all else just to keep a streak alive? There must be more than one important thing. OK, I'll shut up. You guys don't want to hear that, again. I get it that it makes me less than a true Piston fan.