Discussion in 'January 2007' started by roscoe36, Jan 22, 2007.
It is a bad sign indeed.....
Gone are the days when the Pistons could out execute a team down the stretch. From maybe 3 minutes to the end of the half thru the 3rd quarter, the pistons offense faltered while Washington Hibachi'd their way to a 9 pt lead.
Billups transformed from flat footed facilitator to dagger dealing assassin. Both teams came alive at the end with an exciting shootout but crummy rebounding bit the team in the ass.
Webber is like WD-40 on our rusty offensive gears. A little too turnover prone tonight but overall made watching the early part of the game pretty fun with good ball movement. I felt like Sheed fed off of that and abused AJ in the post in the 1st. We got to a good looking start.
CB didn't have very many assists but managed 9 boards. The box score says the pistons rebounded well but it seemed like the big ones always ended up in the Wiz's hands. Dyess was hot and his jumper looked very good. Delfino was great on D and hit his shots. Between him and Tay, they neutralized Caron Butler. Lindsey was brutal. Our fast breaking was disheartening. Usually fast breaks demoralize the other team but its that negative effect.
Rip was his usual bad-ass self but we can't have him carry us ALL GAME LONG. Boy we looked slow out there.
At the end of the game we call a time out. coming out of that we do the usual high pick and roll to sheed for a three...brick. Man. Did we HAVE to waste that time drawing that up? I could have gotten to winter X games that much sooner. the Lameness of that play is off the chart. I was thinking we'd see the Minny-esque heroics but The Pistons took care of that quite soundly.
I feel like I'm rooting for a first round middling team.
First half impressions....
Webber and Sheed started off very well. Early on, the big question was if the Pistons would control tempo or get caught up in the Wizards style.
They got caught up in the Wizards game.
Antawn Jamison was great against Sheed, putting up 18 points in the first half.
Antonio McDyess had a superb 2nd quarter, scoring 11 points.
Going into the half, the Pistons were up 48-46. But no Jmax or Dale Davis left Detroit without a hold on this game.
Re: I don't understand....
How do we know that Flip called that play? For all we know Sheed could have said WTF, and hoisted the 3!!!!!!!!
Damn that last shot should have been Chauncey. He was cooking in the fourth quarter, 3-3 from beyond the arc. I hope Detroit wins in Washington on Tuesday and get their revenge. Detroit has fallen to number 2 in the east now...
Re: I don't understand....
It's one game and we missed some free throws that bit us in the butt.
The last play was bad, but if it went down, we would all be singing a different tune.
I'm particularly cheesed with Chauncey who needs to campaign to run an end of game play for Rip. I'm also a little disappointed we put in CWebb and didn't involve him.
Re: I don't understand....
It'll be easy to know, next game Flip will drop Sheed out of starting lineup if he didn't call the play.
Just kidding, cool.
Can someone who heard or saw the post game conference tell me if that 3 attempt by Sheed was a designed play? I don't recall Sheed ever hitting a game winning shot wearing #36 in a Piston uni, so I just want to know who's bright idea was that? 15 seconds, we had plenty of time to find somebody open for a short jumper or a driving layup attempt.
If this was Flip's idea, then yes indeed he needs to be shipped back to Gopher land. The personnel on this team is to good to have it screwed up by Flips rotations and inconsistent time outs. He played the starters for nine minutes in the 3rd before making a substitution. By that time the Wiz had gone up 9 and had enough in the bank to eventually win out despite our comeback.
f you Flip. I'm freakin' serious. If you don't know how to manage one of the best rosters in the east (maybe the best) and hand minutes to every decent player on the roster (that includes JMax, Davis, AJ and even FlipM) than you don't deserve to be the headcoach of the Detroit PISTONS.
I know I'm emotional but I don't care. I can't stand his "play the starters as much as possible and avoid finding rotations that can get it done and that don't include the starting unit" any more. I'm tired about a coach that says X and acts Y. I'm not angry about the loss. I don't care. I'm angry that FlipS refuses to play the gems this team has. Angry that he's certainly unable to play anyone elese then the starting 5. Angry that he continues making the same failures since he became coach. Angry that he refuses to learn. Angry that he keeps being too nice to his beloved guys (CB, RIP, Sheed especially) Put me on that bash- Flip bandwagon.
If that post is too emotional, forgive me please. I'm just tired of complaining about the same things since the season started.
Here in many of the men's room, when we go to the stool we often see posters like " One step forward, puleeeeeeeeeeeaze man !! ".
My wife came home after the loss. I told her that we were down 1 point with 15 seconds and to guess what happened. She replied, "They shot a three and had Sheed take it?"
3rd time this year that has happened.
Sheed had success in the post. Rip just hit a nice touchy jumper. Chauncey got fouled twice in a row driving to the hoop and was on fire from 3-point land. Having Sheed shoot the 3 was the last thing we should have done. That is just stupid. I don't care if he hits it.
Flip's fault for calling the play. Chauncey's fault for facilitating it. Sheed's fault for pulling the trigger.
I was only able to watch from the last 4 minutes of the 3rd Q on, but what I did see, I wasn't very impressed with. Here are a few of my thoughts.
last 4 minutes of the 3rd Q
- the team can't get anything to drop - including FTs
- Haywood made Sheed look BAD on his up and under slam. Pathetic effort on that one. It looked like he was expecting Ben to come back and bail him out
- poor executing on a 3-on-1 break
- no inside game whatsoever
- no hustle/late help on D allows easy buckets for the Wiz and an offensive rebound and buzzer beater to end the 3rd
- nice steal by Dice early in the Q
- the lack of hustle on D hurts them again with a WAY too easy uncontested layup
- it looks like the entire TEAM is waiting for Ben to come back and bail them out
- another botched 3-on-1
- Delfino hit back to back long jumpers (both from the same spot), the 2nd of which forced a Wiz timeout
- Rip looks out of control and forces a 1 on 3, comes down awkwardly and is slow to get up after the play
- more costly missed FTs
- poor positioning/not boxing out on D results in yet another O rebound plus an and 1
- whats wrong with this picture: our SF is consistenly backing his man down, attacking the basket while our PF/C is consistently standing behind the 3pt line?
- too many cheap fouls on D result in WAY too many and 1s
- most of our offense has been started by Tay backing down his man and then kicking it out
- Nice to see JMax in the game on D for Webber in the final minute
- Wow, I don't know what the play was for the final possession, but I do know that the execution was horrible. Sheed passed up a fairly open 3 (considering they needed a 3 to tie and it was the last play), Tay mishandles it, then Sheed is forced to take a much more difficult shot than the original one he passed up.
I've got to think that the play wasn't drawn up that way, only because Sheed passed up an open look when he first got the ball and only ended up shooting it out of desperation at the end.
I might be wrong though. Either way, it was a bad, bad play.
Pardon me for disturbuting :
It's Serena, mine mine mime . . . just 63 minutes.
I'm not concerned with the last play when we actually needed a three. I can't believe that we actually think we need a 3 when we are down 1.
Just don't give the ball to Sheed at the end if you don't want him to shoot it... cause you know it's going up. What happened to the bball IQ I've heard so much about. And if you look at the replay, you can see Webber trying to call a timeout when Sheed's shot was in the air.
If you look at the box score, it was a very strange night.
Chauncey led the team in rebounding, but they all had about the same number.
Every starter had 4 or 5 assists.
Webber seems to be causing ball movement.
And on a positive note, I thought Dyess was playing some aggressive interior bball.
Chauncey was wide open in the corner, too. D collapsed on Sheed. Not a good finish after a decent offensive output in the 4th Q. And what's with Jamison going off like that? Throw some body on the guy (Maxiell).
Cant remember the last time i watched a pistons game live so this was a treat for me. I headed down to the nearest sports club to catch the action but too bad for me the audio wasnt working. The thing that stood out for me was jameson on fire... the whole game. Like many have posted why couldnt they get someone on him so he couldnt ride the hot hand? Rebounding was a positive, also was rip getting free for open looks. Cbill seemed to only get in the game after the first half which was dissapointing cause we could have used his points and assists. Dreadful dry spell in the 3rd which cost us the game. Cant expect us to rally like we did and pull out a victory if we dig ourselves a hole like that.
Luckily redemption is not far away. Bring it on. As a matter of fact bring on DD and let Cwebb rest a little more.
C'mon you had to see this coming. We couldn't get anything going on offense, we then go to this play that gets Tay a post up with options. This play works 8 times in a row. Now the team starts putting points on the board. Problem.......All our points came from long range jumpers The epitome of fools gold for this team. You had to know that one missed trey would yield a loss. Here's why we lost, Wash is a team that with the personnel to make plays, we are a team with the personnel to EXECUTE plays. We don't have Gilbert Arenas on our team, or a T-Mac, Kobe etc etc.....This team needs to execute, share the ball, move the ball weakside and make the extra pass. Flips system puts too much pressure on one indvidual to make a play (which none of our guys are good enough to do) instead of a team excuting plays and making the defense cover all five guys across the whole court. I'll be sooooooo happy when we come down court 3 times in a row and the ball moves from one side of the court to the other, the ball touches at least 4 players and we make the extra pass that leads to points in the PAINT!!!!!
On a lighter note, Eli Zaret was trying to pimp the postgame sponsor (Casino Windsor) and at one point referred to the sponsor as Cas-een-er Wind-Sow and then during the postgame, called the Wizards, "the Washington Windsors".
This is not the kind of publicity my hometown needs.
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