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  1. Brap

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    JJ just keeps getting better and better.

    Anyone (besides me) see him as a future all-star in this league?
     
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    Could be. I keep forgetting that he is a rookie. He just turned 23.
     
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    When he runs and hustles - which is all the time - he reminds me physically of a young Rodman. Their BB IQ's seem similar, and that's a compliment to both. Both had incredible agility.

    Rodman turned out to be the best defensive player and best rebounder in the game. You could play him against anyone. Jonas is showing a lot of those same characteristics. Give him a couple of seasons, improve his strength (which isn't bad now, btw, but he'll still get a lot stronger - perhaps close to Rodman strong) and he might get near the Worm's level in those areas. But right now, I'm convinced that he's a guy you can and will want to match up against just about anyone and just about any position. I'm guessing that you won't want him going against a Dwight Howard, but you wouldn't have wanted Rodman going against a top center for more than a few minutes either.

    He's right now one of the best offensive rebounders in the game, and if there were a statistic for tipped balls, disruptions to opposing offensive plays, and hustle points - he'd be as highly rated there as jsut about any player in the league.

    Where Jonas has it all over Rodman is on offense. He's showing a really well rounded offensive game. I don't see any particularly great back to the basket post potential, so I don't see him being the next James Worthy on offense. Still, I think he can be a very strong, consistent and reliable offensive weapon, and ultimately worthy of being a guy we regularly call plays for. Plus, he's a very willing passer, and is showing great handle. And he's great running the floor and making hard cuts that make it very difficult on defenses, and will lead to a ton of assists for his teammates.

    BTW , while I like the PER stat on ESPN, there is no question that it does an incredibly crappy job factoring in defensive ability. Someone should fold into that stat statistics about how much worse or better players shoot, or are involved in plays at all, or how many touches they get, or how many assists they record, when being guarded by the particular defender being measured. On the Pistons, I love watching Jonas defend one on one against the great players we put him on on a nightly basis. He's uncanny about keeping people in front of him, and making those guys shoot difficult shots.
     
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    I'm pretty pumped about JJ too. I'm more excited about him than anyone else on the team, except maybe "Good Tay" who finally decided to show up towards the last half of his career.

    I don't want to pick on Stuckey, but Stuckey and Daye don't have the level of court vision or court awareness JJ has. And JJ is not a small player, he is a natural power forward, so his inside outside play is an incredible asset for a team so woeful up front.

    He has surpassed Ben as the best big on our team right now. I *think* I said in chat last night he should have been a top 15 pick in that draft. I suspect there will be many guys out of the league in 4 years, and if JJ stays healthy, he will be making some nice money and starting somewhere.
     
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    If Manu Ginobli was a big man he'd be a lot like Jerebko.

    I don't know if he can be an All Star unless Sweden has a population boom. He is as Fitzgerald said the most limited of all specialists, a well rounded man. He doesn't do anything great, but does it all well. You can be a very good player without being an All Star.

    He has fared better lately at the 4 when early on I liked him at the 3 a lot more. I still tend to think he's better mainly at the 3

    Rodman used to guard Shaq.
     
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    I think Daye, for his limited pt has shown a very high bb iq and he does have a decent handle and makes the pass. Im fairly certain that if Daye had been playing all season? he would be doing very well also. Joe D did a nice/ lucky job on the draft this past season. We got some real studs here.
     
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    I disagree about Daye not having good court vision. I think the kid has great handle, and is going to be a lot better than Tay ever was at running an offense, when he's put in that slot. This offseason will be huge for Austin. He's gotten enough PT this season to take a big step forward next season. And the slot for him OUGHT to be there - Tay is so obviously the guy to trade, since he's playing very well again, and his contract is perfect for any team seeking to add that one veteran player to put them over the top. He'd be perfect in Utah or on the Lakers or in OKC or Denver.

    Daye shows signs that he can be a big time player in this league. When he gets stronger, not if - when, I think he could be a monster in this league. Kindof "Kevin Durant light", I suppose -- a little shorter and little less quick than Durant, but some serious skills like Kevin. Durant is a superstar, and I don't see Daye getting close to that level, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if Daye doesn't sniff at an all-star game or two in a few years.

    I love how Daye already battles on the boards - something Tay has never done very much of.

    P.S. Durant is a BB god.

    P.P.S. I think Summers could be really good too. I think JJ, Daye and Summers can interchange at the 2, 3 and 4 and play really well together. The other night when they were in together, I thought they looked really good and their play complimented each other's game. Surround them with a true center who can be a monster in the paint, and I think this team will be onto something.
     
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    I think it is very optimistic that JJ or Daye will ever see an All-Star game.
     
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    Rodman and Ben Wallace were all-stars. I think JJ can have that type of impact, and he's much better on offense than those two ever dreamed of being.

    I do agree that JJ will never be at the level on offense that the games best offensive players are at, so he's never going to be a shot maker like Dirk or Bosh. But those guys will never play defense like Jerebko does or can. While I don't see JJ as that level of star/superstar in this league, I think that his all around play projects he'll be in contention for a coaches selection to the team in the future.

    As for Daye - right now it's definitely optimistic of me to think he'll be great. He's got a long way to go to get there. But I think he's got a chance, since he's got a very high level of talent, and he seems to know how to play the game on offense.
     
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    JJ reminds me of David Lee, and I think he'll be better than Lee when its all said and done. As for Daye, I think he has a very good shooting stroke aready and his iq for the game is sound. He lacks pt and 10-20lbs his lack of strength is really evident when he attacks the rim. He just doesnt have the lower body strength to lift and elevate and he is easily bumped off balance by the slightest of contact. However, when he puts the ball on the floor and steps into a shot he looks very fluid and under control. Most young players ( and even vets) can look shaky and rushed. I havent seen enough of Summers to make a jufgement call but he seems to have skills and isnt affraid to jack it up.
     
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    I too think that if Daye had been given even three quarters of the time of PT that JJ has..he would be more advanced than what he is now. maybe not as gifted as JJ, but still ahead of the curve. It's a shame with Tay and Rip spending 20+ games in civies that Daye didn't get more PT.

    He will be doing some more summer league play in Vegas, but he will also need to work out with dear old dad to pick up some more skillsets.
     
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    One thing about Daye is that he plays much tougher than his body strength would indicate he can. He's a very willing rebounder,and he mixes it up inside as much as he can. Also, he's incredibly difficult to cover on offense. He's very angular around the rim, and is able to reliably put the ball in the hoop from all sort of angles and with all sort of shots. Some announcer compared his look to that of George Gervin.
     
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    Nice win last night.....the only issue is we have "slipped" to ninth in the ping pong sweepstakes.

    Our closest competition the Pacers, Knicks, and Kings all lost too, and the perennial lottery kings Clippers are putting forth their best tanking effort by losing 8 of their last 10 games.

    Things don't look good as the Wizards, Knicks and Clippers will all probably lose tonight too.
     
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    I told y'all Jive-Turkeys school was in session vs Utah. D Williams schooled Bynum so bad that Will "Tha Thrill" came out and had the performance of his life, and in the post game he even stated that he was motivated by the way D-Williams whooped his butt all up and down the court......You gotta love that, a guy gets his hind-end handed to him and comes back out and gets 20asts, I'm learning to NEVER count this guy out!

    Words can not express the joy that was going through my spirit watching Will in the "Zone" last night, the behind the back pass to a trailing JJ was just BEAUTIFUL! He was so in control, as Greg and George said, "He had the ball on a string and eyes in the back of his head" He knew where all 9 other players on the floor were for the entire game, he kept the WHOLE team involved, the passes were pin-point and delivered right on time.

    Ladies and gentlemen, THAT is how you run the point! It doesn't have to materialize into high numbers of asts, but it's all about court awareness and knowing what to do, when to do it, and who to do it for, last night Will was on it!

    Jason Maxiel is earning his paycheck- and quite impressively. For all the talk we do about about JJ, let's show Max some love too, he is playing the best basketball I have ever seen him play as a Piston. The highlight dunks and blocks are coming few and far between, BUT, he is now delivering good solid-consistent play, night in and night out, he's no longer getting beat on the defensive glass, he's boxing out, and playing GREAT interior defense, he's making layups, showing great touch around the hoop and knocking down the short to mid range jumper confidently with consistency, and he's doing this as a 6'6" center.....WOW! Actually ever since Q moved him to the 5 as Ben's backup, Max has really been playing quite well, maybe he's found his spot and comfort zone.
     
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    Max's touch around the rim and 14 foot J looks really good as well. I think he plays better when he is physically engaged in the game, and he gets to play Bearcat basketball more at the 5 than at the 4.
     
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    Everyone looks a whole lot better when your PG gets 20 assists. Bynum only took 4 shots and he was the player of the game.

    Maybe something will sink in with Stuckey. I doubt it but its nice to think about.
     
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    It's so true though. I was never a big Tayshaun fan, but I am more a Tay fan now than any other time in the last 8 years. He is finally playing like the Olympian and veteran I expect him to be.
     
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    2 things I'm noticing with Tay,
    (1) He seems to have finally learned how to play like 6'9" SF with a 7' wingspan, he's been doing an absolutely fantastic job of playing LONG, keeping the ball high, an djust using his most natural advantage over the rest of the SF's in the league, his length, it's really been something terrific to see over the last few weeks.
    (2) He dropped 20 while guarding LeBron, usually when paired up against the elite SF's of the league Tay shrinks and shrivels up like a rotting flower, and comes away scoring 6pts while giving up 30.
     
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    The question is when did he learned this?? This season while watching JJ from the bench when he was injured?:MusicBigGrin:
     

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