vs San Antonio Spurs Sunday February 21 6:00 pm

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    i think fouls committed on players without the ball need to be looked at, maybe the option to take the ball out of bounds?
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    Six days ago. Remember when he had 14 assists in the Pistons' 23-point win last Tuesday?
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    When the Pistons played their very best in this game, they were actually playing the Small Ball lineup that you despise. In overtime, it was 3 guards plus Prince at the power forward and Wallace.
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    It wasn't because it happens often. I would kill to know what the book is on him. What other teams plan to do. I think they said last night that Manu wouldn't respect his jumper.

    JJ and Ben were our best players last night. Rip had another monster scoring game, but letting Manu into his head (Manu has owned a summer estate between Rip's ears since 2005) for the tech AFTER the end of the 4th is sad. I know Rip raises his game when he gets a tech, but that was real close to costing the team the game.

    @dba, Rip won't be punished because Joe is an enabler. It's a bit of a farce. Although I would like to see someone fill Langlois' mailbag with a question about consequences for such a tech.

    After Duncan, Manu has defined the Spurs. Hard nosed, relentless, clutch and gritty. He's the Spur I like the least, and I like the most. Mentally he is light years ahead of anyone on the Pistons roster except Ben Wallace.

    Ben won that game for us last night. He's not who he was 6 years ago, but he wouldn't let us lose. He made so many huge plays on Timmy, I can't imagine how many wins we would have without him and Kwame or Wilcox in his place. 5? 7?

    I guess Ben Wallace is THE FRANCHISE.
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    And he had 9 assists in the 4th, and 10 assists when we were up by at least 16 between the closing minutes of the 3rd and the 4th.

    I was pleased with Bynum earlier, but he hasn't looked the same since he got hurt.

    In general he has been turning it over too much and has just looked off. He looked like a legit backup before, now he is just all over the place.
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    Bynum's very poor play since his injuries may make it easier for the Pistons to resign him. Had he played well, he might have gotten a bigger contract offer from another team.

    However, my question is - with the makeup of our team, and the glut of guards we have - albeit not PG's - do we want to spend much to resign him? I assume the answer is yes, but I'm not 100% sure anymore.
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    I agree, but I feel Stuckey and his 30% shooting plays a large role in Ben's success. All those offensive boards would not be there if not for he.
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    I don't count games as real that I don't see. Or maybe I did see that one...



    Hmmmm... I could do that.
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    Good point. Finding complimentary players is key. Perhaps the Pistons should look for more offensive rebounding specialists and more crappy shooters.
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    If nobody showed up to see a game (say, the Nets vs. Twolves), would the NBA still count it?
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    Ummm I'm not sure how the 2 of you define rhythm, but I don't consider, standing at the the arc - for 5,6 secs with the ball in the same spot, while the defensive player is backed off you by at least 8 feet saying. "shoot the balll, please, I dare you, I won't even contest it" until the clock gets down to 2secs then you reluctantly launch it "Rhythm", this proves that a broken clock is at right at least twice a day, and a broken jumper is right at least twice a year.
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    I wouldn't even offer Bynum a contract, unless someone gets traded in the off-season. Too much money invested in 4 guards... not nearly enough invested in our front court (other than Charlie V who is barely a forward).
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    Bynum is a min contract player. He is not the problem with money invested in guards. Not by a long shot.

    It is inconceivable we could have anyone cheaper on the roster and I don't think Joe is going to go with 3 guards next season.
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    Good god...

    The POINT I was getting at is that he rarely takes threes that aren't forced or heaves at the end of the shot clock.

    But geez... I guess people will critique anything when they just don't like a guy. I mean, they were good shots, they weren't forced and more importantly he made them and people will still find something to nitpick at. If the defense is going to give you a wide open shot, why is there a problem with him taking it? Oh, he waited a couple seconds before he shot it... how awful of him. Stuckey should be benched for such indecision!
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    Not saying he's the problem, but investing money in him is not a necessity and does not make the team better IMO. If Joe were to trade Hamilton and take say, Cousins, with his draft pick, then I would absolutely bring Bynum back (at a reasonable contract).

    I suppose he could be had for cheap though if he continues to play as he has been since returning from the injury (minus that huge assist game where most of those assists came in GT)
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    Well sure it does, because Will is obviously an above average backup (won the Orlando game for us and holds the single quarter franchise scoring record). Having talent on your team is a good thing. There is no point in having a less talented player in his position. That's the sort of thinking Dumars employs when he looks to add to the team. He won't touch starters, so he adds 7th and 8th men, then wonders why he gets diminishing returns.

    I thought this claim about his GT assists was debunked by a bunch of folks already?

    When healthy, Will is an excellent backup PG, one good enough to outplay Stuckey on many nights.
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    In that game? It was hardly "debunked". 9 assists came in the 4th quarter (when Detroit held a 15+ point lead throughout) and 10 of the 14 came after Detroit's starters had built a 16 point lead when he came in at the 6 minute mark at the third. You clearly have a different definition of garbage time than I do.

    He did do most of his damage in GT. If that had been Stuckey piling up the points or assists in GT, I'm sure people here wouldn't fail to comment on that.

    Bynum has not played particularly well before or since then. Just saying.
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    Stuckey doesn't get nearly the criticism that guys like Sheed and Tay have received. And he plays a lot of minutes, and the roster is based around accommodating his game.

    Also, the amount of harping some folks have done on Bynum recently, relative to his salary, role and minutes is completely disproportionate to the amount of criticism Stuckey gets.

    We can't have it both ways where Stuckey is victimized by critics, but then criticize Will even more, or that Stuckey gets unfair criticism but the criticism of Will is deserved.

    Bynum has played like crap lately. His body language is terrible, and he's not the same player he was earlier in the season when he was laying it all on the line and playing like a lion.

    But I think we all know what he can and does do. 9 assists under any circumstance is an amazing quarter. Owning the franchise scoring record in a quarter is an amazing achievement. Dunking on DHo might be the highlight of the season so far.

    Stuckey doesn't get better if we follow EXP's advice and stop talking because we're not GMs, or if we criticize the other guys playing the position. Stuckey's game has to speak for itself. He should look better than Atkins and Bynum almost every night. That's not an unreasonable expectation to have of a guy who has been handed Billups job and is our highest draft pick since Darko.

    Man, we're not even comparing him to DWade anymore, we're comparing him to sulky, uninspired, (injured?) Bynum.
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    And when they're wearing headbands (and of course on straight, not like Rondo). Or what color of sleeves they may be wearing that night (and on which arm)...geeeeze.

    Could be that everyone is upset that Pop would have won that game if Q hadn't finally had a light-bulb go on.
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    that ship sailed a loooooong time ago.

    Here's my issue with The Quintessential One:
    1. He can play some ball
    2. He can get you 18ppg over 82 games
    3. Decent defender
    4. Can get to the line, and knock them down at a pretty good clip, BUT......
    5. He's not good enough to be your starting SG
    6. He's not good enough to be your starting PG, for various reason that I'm tired of listing.
    He'd make one helluva a 3rd guard that plays starter like minutes, ironically that's what he was drafted to be......the backup to both Rip and Chuancey, which would have been ideal. But all of this can be solved by drafting either Wall or Turner this summer.

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