vs Memphis Grizzlies Wednesday January 27 7:30 pm

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  1. BillLaimbeer

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    Could you imagine a team with two Kwame Browns? Does the word "dynasty" come to mind?
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    Or Kwame and Primoz Brezak. It's sickening to think what could have been.
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    What if Darko played with those two? There would be no need to even play the season. Just let the Larry O'Brien Trophy permanently reside in MoTown.
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    Stuckey wasn't as aggressive as I would have liked last night but unselfish and got his teammates involved. Should have had 16 assists if anyone could hit a 3 ball. Kid plays hard every night and a lot of minutes. That dunk on Thabeet was nasty, while his rebounding and defense were very solid.

    Prince wasn't ever as good a player as everyone made him out to be. You could see he maxed his potential in his 3rd season. He stinks. He should be getting 20 mins a game max.

    Rip was shooting lights out the first half but he's lost a step. O.J. Mayo is no Jordan and he was making Rip look like Michael Redd on defense.

    I've always liked Maxiel, ever since he was drafted. The guy plays larger than 6'9" ( Like he's really 6'9") always hustles and I think his offense is underrated. I'd honestly like to see more of him on the floor than CV. No surprise last night he almost singlehandedly got us back in the game.

    BBen is usually lights out on boards, offense or defense but you could really see his lack of height hurting him last night on the glass and one on one against Gasol. Unless there was weak side help he was pretty much getting scored on left and right.

    JJ as usual was a spark off the bench but he's to hesitant to take the ball and score. There were a couple of times he had an open 3 but didn't take the shot, passing instead. Multiple times he had a lane and was hesitant to pick the ball up and dribble. I really like this kid but he needs to be more aggressive on the offensive end.

    CV wasn't really much of a factor. Odd baseline shots and he hung around the 3-point line too much for me.

    This was a game where Memphis came in as the most penalized team in the NBA and we failed to do any work down low.
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    Nice first post 313. Welcome to PF.com
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    Welcome 313, your analysis was good. .....looking forward to some more of your game summaries and recaps.

    It's always good to read some different perspectives from a newbie.....some of us old timers are so set in our ways....:)
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    Yes came in strong on the 1st post.


    Last thing we needed was Tay coming back and mucking up the chemistry. Complete with missing the last Piston shot of the game. Just when they looked like they were starting to click a few games ago.

    I know he needs time to get up to speed but I feel as though we would have won 2 out of the last 3 if he stayed out. How come other teams don't go through this when one of their main guys returns from injury.
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    Welcome 313.

    I think we should be careful to rush to judgement about Maxiell. If he's all that good, why don't we see it from him every game? He had an unusually good game, and that's great. If he can continue to do well, all the better. But one good game out of 20 doesn't necessarily warrant him getting more minutes.
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    Mlive.com posted an article from one of its reporters/bloggers talking about how Maxiell is a much better player, statisticaly, when he plays fewer minutes.
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    Here are charts for Max's numbers and how they increase/decrease relative to minutes played. This is only from this year's games. I added a 6-order polynomial trendline to better identify possible trends in the data.

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    It looks to me like points and rebounds increase pretty linearly with minutes. Blocks and turnovers stay about the same. Fouls plateau at about the 12-28 minute range.

    FYI, Maxiell's average minutes per game is 17.5 this year.

    I wonder how this year compares to previous years.
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    I don't see any correlation whatsoever in the points vs. minutes chart. It looks completely random.
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    Here's the same chart with a linear trendline. Clearly the points are increasing with minutes played. I admit a lot of the samples are all over the place (a big cloud of points instead of a small tight envelope), but as a whole they trend upward.
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    What is the correlation coefficient?
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    Looks to me like once he gets to 15 minutes it turns completely random. Play him less than 15 and you don't get much, play him 15 or more and all bets are off.
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    For the 6-order polynomial, R-squared is 0.3518 (R=.5931)
    For the linear trendline, R-squared is 0.3328 (R=.5769)
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    Well put.
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    I think we've all watched Max long enough to know that he's good for 15mpg, every once in a while he'll have a MAX(imum) moment and you can get 25mins out of him and that usually happens once or twice every 10 games. I'd have no problem with it if he made Chris Wilcox type money, he's overpaid by about 2, 2 & a half million bucks.
  18. Ernie the Slow Adult

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    I am sick and tired of people using 6-order polynomial trendlines to manipulate data to their liking. That's the problem with the internets.
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    As much as you would hate to admit it, the 5-order polynomial trendlines are simply passe'. It looks like you need to start moving with the times.
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    The 6-order polynomials can guard every position on the floor.

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