Discussion in 'December 2009' started by roscoe36, Nov 3, 2009.
Neither Wilcox or CV are defensive minded players, both of them are ball watchers. Just once I wish they'd just watch film on JJ, and see what it means to move and rotate on defense as opposed to watching the ball.
Pairing the 2 of them together has put us in the negative EVERYTIME Kuester does it. Note to Q:THEY CAN'T PLAY TOGETHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!
True but be fair, Noah and Thomas were taking it to our frontline as if they were all Chucky clones.
Rarely do I agree wholeheartedly with what you post, but this is one of those instances. When I noticed this happen I was wondering if you'd put it in the LeeCap, good eye-General. For the last 2 games Maxiel has played the best defense out of any of our frontcourt players, including Ben Wallace and Jonas Jerrebko. Oh yeah in case y'all missed it before......DON'T PAIR CV AND WILCOX!!!!!!!!! EVER!!!! Especially when CV is hobbled with a foot injury....WTF?????
It was less than a foot and he missed the ENTIRE RIM!!!!!
3rd game in a row where he's done that. It happened again in the 3rd qtr too.
Agree about the Wilcox/CV thing. Ben Wallace is also showing some fatigue already you can't keep playing him extended mins. What Prince was doing playing 36 mins I don't know.
JJ and Day once again looked tentative as if not wanting to step on anyones toes. Hard to believe this is the same JJ who score 20+ points for a few games or the same Day who would shoot us back into the game. They cannot be effective if they don't have the ball or take the shot.
In defense of Rip. We all know Rip - right? We know he shoots better than 20% for his career. He needs more games to get back into shape.
Big problem we have is our chemistry is still in 1st week of the season mode and everyone else has moved on. Have to do some catchup big time.
Especially when they're not even on the floor.
Max here's what worries me, this is the 2nd season where Rip appears to be unwilling to change or sacrifice his game for the development of the team. I'm not saying this IS or WAS the case, it just appears that way. Sometimes I feel like he can't accept the fact that he may not be the leading scorer on this team
Thats exactly what I was thinking during that game. That Rip has to be the leading scorer on the team. This is a problem if he is to be a Reggie Miller type elder statesman.
My point was that he is not going to be hurting the team once he gets his shot back. But he does need to move over a bit and make room for others. Maybe he thinks he is helping the team or that he has to set an example and be the one to take the shot. I don't know.
I think that the coaches (past and present) have had difficultly reducing Tay's minutes because of lack of bench players and that they forget that Tay is on the court sometimes. He is just invisible.
Part of the problem with Rip is his game is based on being ready to shoot when he catches the ball. That's why he puts up more shots than anyone else. I don't think it is an ego or alpha dog type thing.
To a point he would be hurting the team by not shooting.
If Rip was knocking them down at his historic pace, there would be no problem at all. He's proven that he's one of the best in the game at what he does, so let's allow him to get his legs back and see if he helps us.
Without him, we are the worst shooting team in the league, we have the fewest assists, and we play at just about the slowest pace. Rip can help all of these things and he can draw the defense out of the paint.
It's hard to argue against him too much based on 3 games with all the success he has had in the past with his game.
Right now I think it's mainly a chemistry thing. How many different lineups have we had? Even the non-injured guys have been moved in and out and to different positions. Stuckey was at SG for a while. JJ is now at PF when he started at SF. Ben Was the PF and now he mainly plays center. Maxiel, Wilcox and Kwame are in and out. Who knows what Day will play.
Need some time and there may not be enough left.
We need Rip to regain his old touch. It's just a matter of time before that happens. Heck, we're willing to give Stuckey years to figure out what kind of guard he should be. Let's give Rip a half-dozen games to get back into the flow of live action. It's an easy way to correct one of our deficiencies.
Patience will pay off if Rip can get back to his old self. The biggest thing I want to see Q do is limit the minutes of our players. I want Rip and BG splitting the SG minutes. I want Stuck and Bynum sharing the PG minutes. LEt Daye and Tay split the SF minutes while JJ and CV split the PF minutes. Center by committee since we have Ben, Kwame, Wilcox.
I don't care if Rip and Bengo are paid X number of dollars and one is on the pine more then the other. If we can stay fresh and healthy it will PAY off in the play offs. We can get there and make some noise but we have to be 90% healthy and fresh.
Playoffs? You're talking about playoffs?
Fortunately or unfortunately I think its going to be too hard not to make the playoffs. Not going to shoot 30% every game. Once the shots start falling it will score more points and be a lot less pressure on the defense.
...when THE MAN comes around.
Maybe we should just sit everyone for the fourth quarter.
You want Stuckey and Bynum getting an equal amount of minutes? I certainly don't.
Rip is not stupid. Just like everybody else, he realized that the BG signing makes him expendable. He knows full well that he has become the trading piece that will be used to bring in a good big man to Detroit. There's really no real incentive for him to help the Pistons any more. He probably feels that his tenure with the Pistons is done and is trying to showcase himself.
DD said sharing not splitting. That doesn't imply equal shares, and I doubt that's what DD had in mind.
DD, I like your thinking, but there's no way 24 mpg is enough for either Rip or BG. We need to keep Prince's minutes down in the mid to low 30s and for the first time in years, we have a bench (and lowered expectations) to accomplish that. Rip & Prince's minutes are my primay complaint with Kuester.
My thought would be that we should be able to flip flop the minutes. One game Rip will play 30 and BG will play about 30 the next, depending on who is hot or has the better match up. It wouldn't bother me to see WB get fewer minutes and to see BG playing the point. I just don't want three guards out there. With our current roster and expectations; we should be playing a traditional line up at all times.
I agree with Rip and Tays minutes. That is why I want to see traditional line up. There is no need increasing Rip's minutes by playing him at the 3.
I guess I would like to see our main guys (Stuck, Rip,Tay,BG,CV,Ben) average about 30 minutes a game. That means that some games they will play more and some games less but at the end I would like to see about 30 for each.
While the losses are annoying, I'm still surprisingly hopeful about this team. It's obvious that there's work that needs to be done, but the team is performing about what we expected before the season started. We just got our hopes up by the gutsy play of the youngsters during the injury-ridden stretch.
Depsite the 9-game losing streak, I'd rather watch this year's team than the debacle that was last year. Last year was the closing credits of a bad movie. This year is the previews before a potentially good movie.
BTW, Q will win more games than Tablecloth and we will make the playoffs*.
Yes, there are negatives. All of our big men are specialists. There isn't a single big man we have that Q can put in the game without trying to figure out how to counter the gaping hole created by putting that player in the game. But, there are positives too.
Stuckey is finally making good progress.
Gordon has shown that he really is a lethal shooter.
CV actually has shown that he can be a great offensive player with post moves. We haven't had a PF that had more than 2 shots in his arsenal in a loooooooooong while.
Big Ben is leading by example and is really helping the rookies grow.
All 3 rookies we signed have shown they can play in the NBA. Especially JJ.
Bynum has shown that 10-20 games of last season was no fluke.
Q is working 1 on 1 with players and watching game tapes with Stuckey. Those are going to pay off.
The coach is making good decisions and also bad mistakes. He actually is coming up with various strategies/game plans; some succeed and some don't. But, do you know what this all means? He is sentient. That's a big upgrade from last year.
I think this year will end up better than last year, and next year better than this. I'm ok with that.
* Unless we actually end up trading for T-Mac.
Oh, I see. I misunderstood. I agree with you that our main guys should average ~30 mpg. However, I'd prefer to have CV around 33-35 range and Wallace around 25-30 range. Our 3/4 lineup really should be divided primarily among Prince/CV/JJ with Wilcox, Daye and JMax used as appropriate.
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