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  1. KGREG

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    Chauncey ALWAYS had a handle, Chauncey ALWAYS had a jumper, Chauncey ALWAYS played the PG position.

    Stuckey was not a PG in college or HS. Stuckey has a weak and shakey handle. Stuckey doesn't have a jumper.
     
  2. BallDon'tLie

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    Props to you 2T4Y.
    I know that you've been backin' Rodney for a while now and your honest assessments of Collider's play have to be hard for you. We all have players that we like and it's hard to watch 'em NOT play well.

    I was always a Sheed fan and I know that I was guilty of laying in the weeds a little bit when he stunk it up or performed his disappearing acts. I've really never been a guy that roots for individual players (although, I've had my favorites over the years and there's certain guys that I enjoy watching). I stick to rooting for the uniform rather than the guys that wear 'em.
     
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    Ha ha...I already go pulled into the Ben Wallace thread...I'm not touching a new LB one too. :MusicBigGrin:
     
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    It's hard to talk about Rasheed without bringing up weed, isn't it?
     
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    Bong don't lie!
     
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    Yeah but other than that they are the same player basically. I guess you couldn't call Stuckey Mr. Big Shot like Chauncey because he is kind of the opposite of that...but these are all minor differences.
     
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    Mr. Big Shot isn't really Mr. Big shot either though. His clutcheness was absurdly overrated in his tenure here. He was really clutch in 2003-05, 06-08 not so much.
     
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    He was #11 last year in points per minute during crunch time.

    Rip Hamilton was #6 in the league shooting 50% from 3-point range. He ranked behind some real studs: #1- Lebron, #2- Kobe, #3- Nowitzki, #4- Mello, and #5- Steve Nash.


    Next on the Pistons was Ben Gordon, then Will Bynum.

    Stuckey was 58th in the league shooting .324 from the field and .167 from deep. The stats aren't out yet this year, but it's pretty obvious that Stuckey will rank much higher and Rip won't be in the top 10 anymore.

    Here's an impressive stat: Nowitzki shot .667 from 3-point range in crunch time last season. That dude is money.
     
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    Why do you have to be a party-pooper and use statistics to disprove erroneous claims?

    :hoops:
     
  10. TaS

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    The Devil can cite scripture for his purpose...
     
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    Well, what exactly quantifies as "crunch time shots"? I know Billups has pretty awful career numbers on potential "game winning shots", but a game winning shot obviously doesn't cover all of the clutch shots he has taken and made over the years.

    Hamilton being a top three point crunch time shooter a year ago is pretty surprising, but given his mediocre three point shot in general, I'd say that is a statistical fluke more than anything else.
     
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    They define it as:

    The best FT shooters (usually PG's) get their stats boosted in crunch time because when they are up, they get fouled repeatedly in end-game situations. This is the main reason that I think CB ranks so high... that and his 3-point shooting is pretty decent (.419).

    I think this is probably the study that you're thinking of here:
    NBA Game Winning Shots -- leading players

    On game winning shots during the period that they studied, the league average was .298 (makes sense that it is low since these are heavily contested and 3-point heavy). Billups was not good, with a FG% of .162 (6 for 37). But he was also 18-19 from the FT line and had 6 assists.

    So, in 48 possessions total, he was responsible for between 42 and 48 points depending on whether his FG's were 2's or 3's. Not bad on a blended basis.

    Lebron scored 60-77 points in 66 possessions (again, depending on the 3-pointer mix... which is probably low for him).

    Both Chauncey and Lebron had a similar overall efficiency in these situations. If we had a little more data, we could pin it down exactly.


    I think they caught CB during a bad shooting year, but hard to say.
     
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    Some good points in there.

    Last second jumpers are definitely more suspenseful and memorable than a half charge + an and 1 with a favorable whistle.
     
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    It's been a long time since I read a losing game thread with as much win as this one.
     
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    You had me rolling with this one. Sig'd.



    You are both a good person.
     
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    How come PG's usually are better FT shooters than SG's? It's probably some obvious reason I'm not thinking of but I can't come up with any good explanation.
     
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    Most of a PG looks at the basket when shooting are from in front while most of a SG looks are from the side.

    What I want to know is why spellchecker underlines SG but not PG when being typed??
     
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    PGs are all coach's sons. They do nothing for the first twelve years of their lives but shoot free throws.
     
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    LOL. This explanation probably has some truth to it...
     

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