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  1. TaS

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    Somebody needs to set up teammates. Bynum's drive and kicks have been our best plays for the last few weeks. And that doesn't even involve designed plays. Daye, Villanueva, and Gordon have been getting some really wide open looks off of this formula. He's also been decent about driving and lobbing... although defenses seem to be catching on.

    But other than these setups, our guys are really not getting anything easy. Stuckey isn't giving anybody wide open looks or bunnies. TMac is making solid passes, but he's not getting anybody wide open either.

    The problem with Bynum is that he's not a shooting threat, so they don't have to respect the perimeter with him (or Stuckey), and when he drives, he's just too short to be a devastating finisher... so he gets blocked a lot and has to make layups overly difficult. Even so, he's making the defenses collapse when he gets in there.

    We are tired of the Rip offense, but at least it manufactured open jump shots on occasion- or at least open enough for Rip.

    Ben Wallace has had a ton of games with anemic scoring. Monroe has been OK, but he's getting a lot of his baskets as a garbage man.

    All in all, the offense is broke and the defense is broken.
     
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    Ben Gordon has been pretty poor himself recently. Saying he has been in a funk is an understatement.

    Horford knocked GM around quite a bit. Daye got rolled also.

    I was really enjoying the expressions on Kessler's face as the questions were being asked. It seemed to me that he found a lot of the questioners to be a little out there.

    Why not get GM a few shots with his back to the hoop just for the experience? It seems that might payoff somewhere down the line.

    Has T-Mac always been so demonstrative with the refs prior to coming to DET? I've never thought of him that way, but he has really berated the refs several times this year.

    A really, really bad team is going to make the playoffs as the 8th seed in the EC and the Pistons are 6 games away from being that.
     
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    It was odd sitting there last night kind of wishing for Rip. At least he could more or less get a shot when needed, and hit a reasonable share of the open ones.

    Now I'm going to go and beat the bottoms of my feet for writing that.
     
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    That poke away on the fast break was brilliant. It must have been painful for him to get the whistle on that one.

    Maybe we can be the Seattle Seahawks of this year's NBA playoffs.
     
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    Or maybe we can be the Detroit Lions of this year's NBA playoffs.
     
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    We just haven't surrounded him with the right set of rules.
     
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    I disagree with that. He DOES move without the ball (cuts to the basket, uses screens) but he NEVER gets the ball in those situations. Last year, for a good stretch of games, Ben Wallace would find Stuckey working off the ball for one layup a game.

    I'm not saying he does it a ton, but then again, why would Stuckey be moving without the ball if that's not in the designed play?
     
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    What about the play of the night last night? That was a Stuckey slash with a nifty pass and a snazzy finish.
     
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    I think Stuckey will truly reach his potential and become a solid starter producing all-star numbers.........in Denver.
     
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    You guys are pretty harsh on Stuckey. It's tough for a rookie making the adjustments to the NBA level. Give him time.
     
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    This is the problem with the starting line up. I love Ben but it is time for him to move to a specialist role.

    He is a non-existent player on the offensive end. He rarely gets a pass because he is not a threat to score. His man sags off and clogs the lane when he does so Stuck and T-Mac become perimeter players. He is a liability at the free throw line on a team that is struggling to score.

    When CV was in the starting line up the offense flowed much better. He was able to spread the floor and open up the lanes while pulling his man out of the paint.

    We need an big in the starting lineup that can at least step out and hit a 10-15 foot jumper.

    Right now we are playing two centers in Monroe and Ben. Both clogging the lane and not threats to score outside of the paint.

    I agree with Lee in some respects. The rotation problems we have are the players Q pairs up. I don't care whether they are paired in the Starting Line up or off the bench but these should never happen:

    Will and BG should not play at the same time. No Size
    CV and Monroe need to stay separated as much as possible. Limited inside defense.
    Big Ben needs a reduced role. Defensive specialist

    Unfortunately with Rip not playing and JJ hurt we are struggling. JJ could be used to keep Cv and Monroe separate. You play Monroe and JJ to start and bring CV and Wilcox off the bench.

    Use BG and T-Mac to start and bring Rip and Stuck off the bench.

    The loss of JJ this year really put a monkey in the wrench this year.
     
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    It's a catch-22 really. You play CV instead of BBen, you got no interior defense. You go with BBen instead of CV and you got no interior scoring.

    The real problem is all of our bigs are one-dimensional. They can either play good D and nothing else (BBen, JMax), or decent offense and nothing else (CV). Monroe is a rookie, so he's learning both sides of the game. One day he'll become a good player, but he's not there yet. Wilcox is neither an asset nor a liability on either end. So:

    At the moment Chris Wilcox is our most complete big man.

    And, therein lies our problem.
     
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    What was the reason, or was a reason ever given, that the Wilcox/Monroe duo was broken up as the starters?
     
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    I think it was just that Ben Wallace came back from injury.

    We're 5-6 with Wilcox starting this season. We're 3-3 since we quit starting him.

    We're 9-13 when we start Monroe.

    We're 15-28 when Ben Wallace starts. 2-2 when he doesn't. (Beat Orlando and Phoenis, lost to Denver and Charlotte).


    In conclusion, it doesn't seem to matter much what we do. Wilcox is our +/- leader I believe and we've almost played .500 ball with him starting, but it's a small set of games to base an opinion on. He's our only big that a guard can throw a lob to in the paint. From that perspective, I'd rather have him out there with Bynum off the bench.
     

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