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Discussion in 'March 2017' started by roscoe36, Sep 25, 2016.

  1. Ernie the Slow Adult

    Ernie the Slow Adult All-Star Forum Donor

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    I had the 'WTF?' face going for most of this game.
     
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    Harris dinged up his knee the other day. It could have been precautionary.
     
  3. roscoe36

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    I don't know why. This is all YOUR fault.

    You jinxed us with your talk of making the playoffs!
     
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    A precautionary 30 minutes on the floor, yep.

    The knee was dinged up prior to the Cavs game also, he still started. This would only make sense if the Jazz were starting Favors alongside Gobert again, but they weren't.
     
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  5. Ernie the Slow Adult

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    Think how bad guys like Ingles or Hayward would look playing for us. They'd have spent the entire game guarding either Gobert or Hill.
     
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    Spoiler alert...both Milwaukee and Miami won tonight over the Clippers and Pelicans...two western teams with big men....10 days ago both teams were behind the Pistons, Bulls and Hornets and now Milwaukee has moved ahead of everyone and grabbed the 7th spot and we are fighting for the 8th with the Heat who have been well hot!

    We can't wait for the Suns and Nets to give us some relief, we need a win over Toronto on Friday at home to right this ship before panic sets in.
     
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    I thought Boban was looking good. Gobert seemed a little rattled by him.
     
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    After looking through all the numbers, here is a stat summary for the game:

    Wins for Pistons- 0
    Wins for Utah- 1

    Analysis: Pistons didn't get it done. They failed to find a way. Utah did get it done and they technically won the game.

    If this trend continues, we will lose all of our remaining games.
     
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    That's binary information and it's not particularly interesting.

    Baynes is currently playing on a losing team. The fact that he, at one point in his career, played on a winning team is not useful information at all. You think the Jazz are happy about locking up Boris Diaw because he used to play on the Spurs? He is sucking ass, no amount of team wins will wipe the shame from that. Or how about Dellavedova? The list goes on here.

    That's not to say I don't like Baynes. Just that we know what he brings to the table via the eye test and from some numbers. His career movements are not important.

    KCP cannot carry this team to a win. He is not Michael Jordan, Lebron James et al. He can't will the whole team to victory. But he does a lot of things very well, he is young, improving and cheap. Next year he won't be cheap.

    I disagree. I'm not saying that we should change the way the team plays (well I am but that wasn't the point) but that the blame for KCP lies elsewhere. He is getting better, there is no question about that.

    This is not a grind team. Disavow yourself of that notion. We are the Clippers, just with no offense and even less ability to cope with adversity. But if you want to build a grind team, you need dudes like KCP. He gives it all up on defense, plays crazy minutes and still keeps up on the other end of the floor.
     
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    What are the stats for an entire season for both those teams? Any trends there?
     
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    That is actually where it gets very interesting.

    Utah has 43 individual game wins and the Pistons have 33. Based on this stat alone, it appears that Utah gets Ws more frequently than Detroit.

    ***SPOILER ALERT****

    Despite the fact that Utah has a higher number of wins, they will eventually finish the season in a 29 team tie for last place in championship wins. The Pistons will also be a part of the 29 teams bunched together.
     
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    Second place again!
     
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    Lots of deep analysis going on after this game. Thanks for the spoiler alert.
     
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    With this team, you cannot pencil any games as wins before they happen. I could see us losing to both teams. We're that bad.

    I love you.

    I've never been a big stats nerd (hence my focus on intangibles, psychology and spiritual destiny) but what is interesting to you and I today, is unlikely to be the same 10 years from now.

    I thought Diaw was great last night. Did you know ATL made him play PG early in his career?

    Are there any former Spurs SGs we could replace Pope with?

    Experience can't be measured statistically but don't think it isn't an important variable.

    I know we're not a grind team. We're soft like Charmin. The Bad Boys would have these guys pissing their shorts and crying in the corner by the end of the 1st quarter.

    Pope's defense impresses me very little when we lose. YMMV.

    LOL.

    Good point. My weighting is bad for forum content.

    We need a Leecap to tell us how Baynes lost this game for us by outscoring and outrebounding Dre in only 3 more minutes.
     
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    We need better, all-around athletes that can drive, pull-up and finish around the basket.
    KCP has improved...I actually saw him obtain an offensive rebound in our last game.
     
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    Sean Elliot?
     
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    That was a bad trade IMO.
     
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    I thought Sean Elliot was small forward. :)
     
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    He was, and it was still a bad trade considering that Rodman may be the best rebounder in the history of the world.

    Even if Vinnie Johnson was shtupping his wife and Daddy Rich had to leave due to front office drama with ownership, I wish we had kept Worm around. You need to build a culture around your franchise players.

    Bill Davidson was a great owner and a terrible owner at the same time.
     
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    I think we may share more common ground than first glances might indicate. I just think that talking in terms of binary events is super shallow, and if they were the only measure we probably wouldn't advance much as a race.

    I'm a big believer in context. Numbers without context are not particularly useful. It's why nobody is trying to sign Michael Jordan to a multi-year max, despite the fact that he is winner.

    I did not. He is still bad fit/player on that team and his price tag is not justified.

    Dale Ellis isn't signed to any teams.

    IMO, experience isn't an attribute worth measuring. But it is an attribute worth attaining. People who are experienced can be lots of other things - composed, pragmatic etc etc.

    I don't care that Baynes used to win. I care whether or not the attributes he got from winning will help here.

    Popes defense will help win games when the people around him decide to help win games as well.
     

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