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    And as frustrating as that is........is does show that we are indeed headed in the right direction. We can compete with (almost) anybody, we just can't win; which is understandable considering our youth and inexperience.
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    Just saying that maybe our coach isn't an end game genius. I was previously questioning whether it mathematically makes sense to foul in a tie game in this scenario and it is debatable (although it seems like the answer is that you probably should). Not fouling when down 2 with a 3 second differential is something I don't believe I've ever seen a coach purposefully instruct his team to do. It's so weird that I'm questioning his strategery in general.

    Just some other troubling events from my perspective
    - our best player is limited to 20 mpg.
    - after a career high in points with a 90% TS%, Daye gets 11 minutes on 0-1 shooting.
    - Monroe and Drummond have basically not been tested together this year yet, despite the potential ability to trade one or the other while their stocks are soaring (how can we trade them if we don't know if they work in tandem?)
    - the trio of Bynum, Villanueva, and Daye are part of our most effective units this year and they all spent substantial time in total bench jail. It's highly unusual to have guys sit for 20 games and then explode onto the scene.
    - Stuckey had to request out of the starting lineup despite suffering from migraines and shooting 0% for a good month.
    - Bad end game units (Monroe + Maxiell + Bynum in the game with 3 seconds left and we need a 3 to tie????). You're either counting on Daye or a low releasing Knight. Surprise, Daye couldn't shake and bake 2 defenders and Knight gets blocked.
    - We've had other end games where we needed a stop, and had guys like Daye and Villanueva walk on the court after a timeout to play crunch time defense.
    - The double OT game where the bench unit caught up from 20 down (draining experience) and then played 22 straight minutes without a break through the 4th quarter, OT and double OT.
    - TRG hasn't been tested and got his first minutes of his career due to a decision by the opposing coach.


    And now I read an article today where it is implied that Joe D basically has Tayshaun on the untouchable list and is lining him up for a career in management after his retirement in 2020.

    Gores- where you at?
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    Joe D and La Franka is bringing this franchise back to glory. One guy waits 5 years just to tie his own hands until 2017 while giving up a 1st rounder to get rid of his marquee free agent signing while the other one is up to the stuff mentioned above.
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    these are all things Ive complained about ad nauseam and Ive heard people claim that Larry is a good coach and he is bringing Dre along slowly and we wouldnt be in the close games if it wasnt for our coach. I think we've been in games DESPITE our coach.
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    Sorry, should have linked. Looks like it was just posted elsewhere. I stumbled across the article on hoophype on my phone while driving (don't go all Cloud on me... traffic moves at 1 mph here).
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    Good post, but I will note:

    Without a player like Bynum on the floor, another player might have been able to play a bit of defense to force a shot clock violation. But Bynum? No choice but to foul or give up the dunk, as he has no ability to play defense in the NBA.
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    Without Bynum's heroics in the last few minutes, the Pistons would have lost by double digits.
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    Since Bynum ended up even for the game, without that spurt at the end, he would have been negative about 10 for the game. Any idea how many games since Bynum has been plus for a game?

    Taking my que from Micro. Why judge someone on a minute of play rather than the all the rest of the minutes.
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    Sorry I creamed them on fixed odds markets, not opens.

    Simple misunderstanding. Although I suppose even in fixed markets the line will still move a bit, but it takes a lot.
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    Austin Daye was MINUS 4. Maybe he played too much.
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    Bynum's dive on the 2nd to last defensive possession jarred loose the ball and led to the Brandon Knight layup to pull us within 2.

    He's a maniac.

    His D isn't good because of his size, but he's so quick that when he starts gambling on D, he probably has as good of a chance of causing a turnover as anybody. During the normal course of the game, it isn't a good play for him to gamble like that, but when we are desperate, it becomes a good play and he can really do some ball hawking. On the season, we do force about 3 more turnovers per 100 possession with Bynum on the court this year than when he isn't (and we also turn it over less ourselves).

    I would definitely not have had him in on the final offensive possession... especially when Stuckey had already hit 2 threes on the night.


    Knight/ Singler/ Prince/ Daye/ Villanueva would be the ultimate 3-ball threat lineup. If you need a screen setter, then I guess you bring in Jerebko just in case you need him to shoot it.
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    I might even put English ahead of Prince if you only have a couple of seconds left. Prince takes about 8 seconds for his pump fake and then another 5 seconds to get his shot off.
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    He is a tall guy.

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