Tigers Tigers 2013

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  1. LA Dre

    LA Dre All-Star 1x Fantasy Champion Forum Donor

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    The hitting has been great, but not good enough to win when it counts..in the late innings. and to lead the lead in hitting and near the top in runs, there should not be any shutouts or 3-2 losses. We have maybe one walkoff hit this year and possibly a couple of come from behinds but those 36 wins should be closer to 42 at 20 games ova .500 at 42-22. This is why I gave them a c+
     
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    Blame that on Leyland for possibly yanking him to early and of course the other team for putting their best pitcher against him.
     
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    There are a lot of games in a baseball season. No shutouts is expecting a lot.


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    It is true that we can't score late... and are worse than average, which you have to look at because of strong bullpens out there.

    Inn: off rank/ def rank
    1: 21/ 7
    2: 1/ 9
    3: 5/ 27
    4: 1/ 1
    5: 2/ 7
    6: 7/ 3
    7: 22/ 25
    8: 23/ 6
    9: 29/ 22
    10+: 22/ 26

    Here is the weird thing about these results. It is true that we are either great or terrible by inning, both on offense and when we're pitching. Out of 20 data points, not a single one is in the mid range (i.e. 10-20). That is incredibly unlikely from a random perspective.

    The 4th inning is our power inning on both sides. And surprisingly, we aren't a good team offensively in the 1st inning with the great start to our lineup. The 8th inning pitching stands out with Smyly/Benoit having great years so far and getting the call usually that inning. The blip in the 3rd pitching? Maybe one of those games where Porcello gave up 10 runs in an inning or something? Seems out of place.

    On offense, I'm wondering if it has anything to do with the leads that we have more often than other teams. Leyland has a habit of subbing in defensive players to hold on to the lead. In comes Don Kelly, etc. Maybe he needs to keep his foot on the gas offensively and not introduce weak links into the lineup (offense is the best defense). We're not chokers, so why else would the offensive production drop so dramatically after the 6th?

    The most concerning thing to me is the pitching in the 7th, 8th, 9th, and extra innings. Except for Benoit/Smyly, we are getting killed after our starters are done. Need Al Al back and a trade for a closer to shore it up. In the post season, move Porcello to the 7th/8th and alternate games with him and Smyly in that setup role.
     
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    Great analysis TaS....I could tell based on my observations that the last three innings was our achillies heel. You are correct that JL probably puts in the defensive stoppers, but even Miggy and Fielder tail off in the late innings and have come up short 8th and 9 th inning when we are hoping that they provide that insurance or go ahead run.

    The team will make the playoffs, but don't seem to be in position with the current bull pen to win that 4th game in the WS. Last year they couldn't even win the first one.:cheeky-smiley-012:. So some type of pitching adjustment in the pen is needed after the break.
     
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    I can understand the late inning offense struggling to some extent. Usually you are dealing with the best relievers that are coming in to close out the games, so it is tougher for the offense. In the blowouts players are usually looking to pad stats and finish out the game quicker so their numbers drop off. As far as bullpen goes, we all know the struggles they've had. The biggest one is the closer. Smiley and Benoit have been great, Coke will get there, Downs is OK, but the rest is very young and unproven. They have been alright for the most part but struggled in some situations. The team needs the closer. As far as anyone else - I guess we will see.
     
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    What do you think about Papelbon? Cost too much?


    Papelbon a fit in Detroit? - Buster Olney Blog Blog - ESPN


     
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    Perfect... with Illitch's money.

    If we had a shutdown closer, we'd be a sure thing.
     
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    I would be ecstatic if we got Papelbon.
     
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    He'd definitely solidify the bullpen and the World Series chances. What is the cost in prospects though? As long as it is not going overboard I say it would be awesome.
     
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    The least they could do is pick a random fan out of the bleachers each game and let him/her be the closer.
     
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    That would be a lot more fun
     
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    Developing Rondon and letting him blow games would be more productive at this point.

    Or moving Benoit to closer role and scrambling to give support to Smyly in setup would be an option.
     
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    I prefer Rondon option. Benoit struggled in closer role a few times he tried to close.
     
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    IF YOU SCORE 10 RUNS IN GAME ONE, BUT THEN SCORE 4, 2, 1 AND 0 IN THE next FOUR...thats a 4.3 avg per game ...good-BUT u probably lost the series 4 games to one
     
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    Actually, it would be a 3.4 average.
     
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    actually.....shut up. LOL
     
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