Tigers Tigers 2013

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  1. TaS

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    Probably right.

    On my Sparky vs Leyland post, I was just illustrating that the game seems to have changed. Based on what I can tell, the modern game just uses more relievers based on situations. Overall, pitch count is down for starters as well, which leaves more innings to fill with the pen. Sparky may have been Captain Hook in his day, but he probably didn't cycle pitchers then as fast as Leyland does now.
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    So far the Tigers have gone through 17 pitchers with 10 of them with an ERA of over 3. The four main starters are averaging about 6 innings a game, so their era is probably higher than norm and the pitch count is probably doing them in as now even they are collapsing about the 5th and 6th inning. Seems like the opposing teams are sitting in the batters box trying to up the pitch count hoping that our guys can give away to our suspect bullpen. Not a bad strategy by the opposing manager.

    Both the starters and the relievers are racking up strikeouts, but it seems like the extra base on balls in the late innings are hurting the relief staff.
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    ERA has gone up some over the last 28 years....which makes the 2012 stats even more impressive.

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    I'd actually go with the 84 staff. I think they were better.

    P.S. Current Tigers are 23-19..........
    In 1984...team was 36-6 at the same point. :)
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    all right wise guys what was the runs per game if you you're going to compare innings pitched ?
    my guess is '84 is a full run better. Less need to hook, all things being even.
    And it's more about number of pitchers per game. Remember when Tony Larusa said his entrant would only go 3 innings ? lol
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    THE AL hitters in 84 were twice as good as the current hitters TODAY.
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    Riiight...


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    1984 Tigers:
    Scored 5.12 runs per game
    Gave up 3.97

    + 1.15 differential

    Pythagorean win % = .611


    2013 Tigers:
    Scoring 5.29 runs per game
    Giving up 4.17

    + 1.12 differential

    Pythagorean win % = .619


    Pretty similar actually.
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    I grew up in the Lolich/McLain days when pitchers threw complete games and knuckleballing Wilbur Wood started both games of doubleheader.

    Denny McLain had 28 complete games in 1968, 23 in 1969. The Tigers team had 59 complete games in 1968. Lolich had 23 in 1972.

    Mayo Smith and Billy Martin's Tiger pitchers averaged 49 complete games a year between 67-72.

    During Sparky's first five years, his pitchers averaged 33 complete games per year.

    The 1980 Sparky led Tigers had 40 complete games on it's way to an 84-78 record. Jack Morris had 20 wins and 20 complete games in 1983. There were only were 19 complete games in the record setting 84 season... Jack Morris had nine of them..and Dan Petry 7. Willie Hernandez MVP/Cy Young winning performance took care of 9th inning that year as he appeared in 80 games on his way to 32 saves.

    Leyland's Tiger teams have a total of 32 complete games since he took over in 2006, including the one this year recorded by Max.

    Even in Verlanders' 2011 MVP/CYA year, he only had 4 complete games which was the entire total for Tigers pitching staff that year. With Papa Grande providing the Super Rolaids Relief effort that year, the unintentional hook was in play after the 8th inning even when the starting pitcher had a shut out in progress.
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    like Dre is saying...I grew up in an era where MEN were MEN and women were GLAD OF IT!!!!! This wussy IPODTWITTERFACEBOOKINGFASTFOODRESTURANTONEVERYCORNERNO STARTERCOMPLETEGAMETHROWINGEVERYOTHERPERSONISEEISOVERWEIGHTBY50LBSHUFFINANDPUFFINnotKNOWHOWTOSINGTHENATIONALANTHEMSINGINJUSTINBEIEBERLOVIN COUNTRY OF OURS drives me NUTS!!
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    Interesting that this makes sense when I try to separate the letters.

    Colorado is the fittest state in 2012 based on overweight population.

    Take their weight figure of 2012 and put it back in 1985 and they're ranked 37th............
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    Those '84 Tigs won 104 games. .641 win%
    I remember that season well. Well actually it has faded some.
    TaS you tried to show us that formula. But 1.15 should be better that 1.12
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    Pythagorean expectation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    It's just saying the the 84 Tigers were a little lucky and this year's team is a little unlucky so far. 35-5 obviously takes some luck since they couldn't maintain it after that (69-53).

    Also keep in mind that '84 Tigers had the league's top offense and a GREAT defense (Tramm/Whitaker, Parish, Lemon, Gibby). That D helps the pitchers.
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    I heard about this on the news in Sweden, they are supposed to have a guy who's not overweight.
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    As a teenager, I was a little bit better shape in 1985.
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    so '84 about 4.50 rpg
    that graph goes to 2009, 4.75 rpg
    so I got carried away
    when the league starts up new teams, the pitching thins out some.
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    Well, the big spike in runs beginning in the late 80's basically corresponds to the Steroid Era.
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    So what about the pitchers who started 30 games and threw 9 inning games during the 60's and 70's. Were they just stronger or were they already on some type of undiscovered enhancement? I know some blew out their arms, but we never hear about the pitchers endurance other than Steroid Clemens of the 80's.
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    The refs tried to maintain the norm.
    ?
    The roids started in the early '80s with those ATHLETICS the Bash Brothers Jose and 70 homers dude.
    I lived in the San Jose then and watched them win all those WS.
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