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Discussion in 'Pistons and NBA' started by TaS, Jan 6, 2009.

  1. roscoe36

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  2. TaS

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    SOME SPLITS ON MINUTES PLAYED BY OUR GUARDS (ignoring Ben Gordon... Mr. Irrelevant)

    If you sort Rip's games by minutes, the Pistons are 12-11 in his top 23 minutes played games (everything over 26:03).

    If you go below his top 23 games, the Pistons are 3-20 (everything under 26:03).

    We're 11-16 when he doesn't play at all (aching groin, protests, DPN-CD's, etc.).

    The only logical move for Kuester is to start Rip and play him heavy minutes.


    When Stuckey gets less than 25 minutes, the team is 1 and 12.
    When Stuckey gets 35 or more minutes, the team is 6 and 12.
    When Stuckey gets in between 25 and 35 minutes, we're 14 and 18

    We're 5 and 5 when he doesn't play.

    Not sure what the answer is there.


    In Bynum's top 10 minutes games for us this year, we are 6-4. He averaged 14.5 points, 5.7 assists in 27.8 mpg

    The losses were:

    • to Philly when he played 48 minutes and we had 6 man
    • at Miami
    • at Denver
    • to San Antonio
  3. 2Tough4You

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    I don't think you can analyze this team through statistics, TBH. We are stockpiled at a couple of positions, so there won't be much difference in wins and losses when one guy doesn't play.

    Through watching the games, I can tell you that Stuckey has been our best guard, Prince has been our best wing and Monroe has been by far our best front court player. The statistics bear this out.
  4. TaS

    TaS All-Star Forum Donor

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    Just noticed that when Rip gets the minutes that he used to get, we have been a decent team. We actually have a playoff type winning percentage when he plays.
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    If he plays like he has since returning from the eastern front :stirthepot: and unlike he has really for the last couple years he is still a great player. If you could tell me he would play this hard on both ends of the court for the rest of his contract I'd say keep him and send BG on his way...... I fear that Rip is only on his best behavior for the rest of this year.

    If he goes to a team that is chasing a title next year (knock on wood) I think he has alot to give. He needs to be on a good team though, and we won't be that team next year.
  6. TaS

    TaS All-Star Forum Donor

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    Just to start recapping the year...

    Leaders (per minute, except for percentages)-

    Points- 1) Rip Hamilton, 2) Charlie V., 3) Stuckey
    Rebs- 1) Ben Wallace, 2) Wilcox, 3) Monroe
    Asts- 1) Will Bynum, 2) Stuckey, 3) McGrady
    Steals- 1) Will Bynum, 2) B. Wallace, 3) Monroe
    Blocks- 1) Ben Wallace, 2) Daye, 3) Charlie V.

    eFG and TS%: 1) Wilcox, 2) Monroe, 3) Charlie V.
    3P%: 1) BEN WALLACE!!!, 2) Summers, 3) Ben Gordon

    Win shares per minute: 1) Monroe, 2) Wilcox, 3) Stuckey

    PER: 1) Stuckey, 2) Wilcox, T2) Monroe
    Simple rating: 1) Prince, 2) Monroe, 3) Stuckey
    Net Production: 1) McGrady, 2) Prince, 3) Stuckey
    On/Off +/-: 1) Wilcox, 2) Stuckey, 3) Prince


    In hindsight, I'm thinking that we should have played Wilcox more.
    Prince confirming his status as a glue guy (shows up in the advanced stats more than the regular ones).
    Stuckey showing up in the top 3 in just about everything.

    Ben Wallace is basically retired and he still led the team in 3 categories.

    Stuckey shot .386 on J's this year vs. .372 last year (so his shot improved!).

    Monroe had a pretty nice year.
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    Wouldn't you say he's underrated here, considering that most people don't even have him in the "top 5 Pistons you want back next year" list?
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    When you are a SHOOTING guard and you shoot 38%, then something is wrong.
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    Stuckey is a point guard and he shot 44%.

    By the way, Billups shot 39% the year we won the championship.
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    Most people that have watched him play for 4 years don't see Stuckey as a PG.


    Jamie Samuelsen's blog: The nine Pistons I'd keep ... and the six I'd ditch | Detroit Free Press | freep.com
  11. TaS

    TaS All-Star Forum Donor

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    The thread asked to set your own rules (i.e. take into account whatever you want- salary, contract length, age, etc).

    A lot of the keepers were guys with minimal market value like Summers, White, Ben Gordon, etc. So, I think it mainly came down more to who aren't you sick of. Stuckey has been the starting point guard on a losing team with mutiny issues. Most of the starters are left off of various peoples' lists. The starters haven't shown good leadership this year to say the least.

    When you're trying to rebuild, you need to start developing cohesiveness.
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    The Pistons went 9-16 since the All-Star break.
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    Annnnnd... are you saying that is Stuckey's fault?
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    If your team went 9-16 during your best stretch of the season as the point guard, you are fair game for critique.
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    Stuckey's post all star numbers: 16.7/6.6/3.7 on 48%/31%/87%

    Stuckey is the last player that should be critiqued (on his level of play) in that stretch.
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    I like the stat lab better when it only has stats. Lots of other threads for opinions :)
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    Some guy hacked the apbrmetrics forum over att sonicscentral.com and it seems they had no backups. A few of the guys are bringing back a some of the threads from the Google cache but a lot of insightful knowledge lost. :cold:
  19. TaS

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    I looked up the players who have won regular season MVPs and those that have won Finals MVPs. Dirk just became the 13th player in history to get both:

    Dirk Nowitzki (1 MVP, 1 Finals MVP)
    Kobe Bryant (1/ 1)
    Tim Duncan (2/ 3)
    Shaquille O'neal (1/ 3)
    Michael Jordan (5/ 6)
    Hakeem Olajuwon (1/ 2)
    Magic Johnson (3/ 3)
    Larry Bird (3/ 3)
    Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (6/ 2)
    Moses Malone (3/ 1)
    Wes Unseld (1/ 1)
    Willis Reed (1/ 2)
    Wilt Chamberlain (4/ 1) *didn't have Finals MVP for 4 of his reg MVP's.

    ** they didn't have the Finals MVP in Bill Russell's heyday, so he can easily be added to the list as well since he would have had many. Bob Pettit, Bob Cousy, and Oscar Robertson also might have been on this list.

    So, Dirk is in a pretty exclusive club, but is on the bottom of the list.
    And of the guys on this list, Dirk is the only player could didn't and could not have played for Team USA. Duncan and Hakeem were born outside the US, but played for America.

    That's all I got.
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    A nice interview with former Pistons front office employee Jeff Weltman. It sounds like the Pistons let a gem go.

    Some thoughts from the Detroit Bad Boys about the interview:

    I like this assessment by Weltman, it sounds reasonable to me:

    BrewHoop talks advanced stats with Bucks Assistant GM Jeff Weltman - Detroit Bad Boys

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