the scarlet letter

Discussion in 'Pistons and NBA' started by Griffin, Apr 28, 2006.

  1. TheeTFD

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    Re: armygirl -- good to be a Witness last night

    AuraK there might be some hope for you.
    As for the rest, I can only puke so much before I dry heave.
    Good to see Rip get his touch back. I'd like him to do about 6 tres one game. At his usual .500% of course.
    J32 it helps if we know the sex.
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    Re: armygirl -- good to be a Witness last night

    and yet, somehow, it's so hard to just turn away ...

    i find it revolting and yet oddly... captivating
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    Re: armygirl -- good to be a Witness last night

    I'm rooting for the Lake show... I want the Clips to tear em a new one in their own town... sweet irony....
    Besides I'm tired of all of this Steve Nash talk... isn't this the guy Chauncey left in a heap?
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    justise32 -- ready to rumble?

    originally posted by justise32
    "But the strangest thing is....I find myself fasinated with Kobe and the Lakers.:doh: And I thought I was a true-Kobe-hater. :frusty: But...those Laker boys are cuttin' up. Talk about action (both physical and athletic). I lookin' for some punches to be thrown in Game 5. :nod:"

    Forgive my strange way to trying to quote Justise32's post. I can't figure out how you guys are copying others' posts in your own. Maybe someone can send me an email and tell me how.

    I think the Kobe/Raja Bell confrontation in Game 7 could be really something to behold. No matter how disciplined they may try to be for the sake of their teams, I have to think that if Bell is the one guarding him...look out. Game 7 in itself will be totally intense even without the Game 5 history.

    I think Kobe Bryant is incredibly gifted, gusty and talented basketball player. I just cannot bring myself to wish good things for him. I guess that makes me a true Kobe hater. Everytime he has gone up for a buzzer beater this season my heart sank. I feel loss when he succeeds. And it's not the Colorado episode. I just don't like him.No matter how great he is. I like other arrogant athletes though.I like T.O. I've tried to put my finger on why I dislike him so much and the only thing I consistently come up with is that I think he's a Punk.

    So I'll be rooting for Raja Bell in that matchup.

    Our slutty thread as the Professor called it seems to be fading out.I think we should spice it up with more true confessions, maybe see if we can get some more posting from those who look down upon us with disdain!:)

    So we've written about our basketball affairs with teams and players other than our true love Pistons. Fess up who you can't stand whether it be a team, a player or a coach. Rationally or irrationally, fairly or unfairly, for better or for worse...who might you be unhappy to see win?

    I confessed Kobe but that is not so shocking. Lots of people don't like him. But I'll tell you another...Mr. Nice Guy Tim Duncan.:mad: Can't stand him.
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    Re: justise32 -- ready to rumble?

    aworakmu, just hit the button on the bottom of the message that says "Quote" and it will have the message embedded in your response. Hope this helps.

    Anyway...I hate the Spurs. They were NOT suppose to win last year. I said in 2004, we was going to win 3 back-to-back. Something happened somewhere along the way in that series (probably Game 5). But I don't want to waste any more of my words on the Spurs.:fingerscr
    I don't like Kobe; but I dislike babyKobe even more (Arenas). Something about him just rubs me the wrong way; maybe it's his arrogrance; he's usually being sarcastic about something; the way he looks; I don't know. Just irritating!!!:frusty:

    But, back to the Suns/Lakers...I don't really care who wins (cause the Clippers will knock them out) I just want to see some serious action. So, I will be glued to the tv Saturday night.
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    Spur-allergic reaction

    Justise32 Thanks so much for the tip. I thought that that little box that said Quote was referring to the quotes at the bottom of people's post. Sigh. I'm pretty computer challenged really.

    I so much hate the Spurs. I watch alot of NBA basketball, pretty much every game that is on. But I hate the Spurs so much I cannot watch them. Which is going to be pretty painful if we are in the Finals with them again. I tried even tonight to watch them against SAC. I just can't do it. I hate Ginobili and his flopping, I hate Tony Parker and his..oh just being Tony Parker. I even tried videotaping a few of their games to watch later once I knew they had lost. Couldn't do it. I'm psychologically allergic to watching those Spurs. :frusty:

    Oh well. The good news is I don't have to watch them unless they go to the Finals with us. If that happens, this year I'll probably have to be sedated. But anything for my Pistons!:nod:
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    Re: Spur-allergic reaction

    AuraK, at the bottom is your signature. You do it at your log in profile.
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    Another confession.

    I like the Phoenix Suns. I knew Boris Diaw would be good after seeing him in Eurobasket 2005, and over time, Steve Nash has won me over. I didn't give him the automatic homer vote, but the dude can flat out ball.

    Anyway, they're up 28 right now, I have no idea why they aren't resting Nash, but the Lakers are done, and as thrilling a series LA-LA would have been, Kobe's recent big mouth comments have turned me off on him again.

    Back to the Suns, it's kinda like the first time you go out without underwear on. Uncharted territory.

    They just push and run and push and run and as a Detroit fan, I'm supposed to be all about defense first, but I have to admit that the relentless scoring style is pretty damn fun to watch.

    I'm pulling for the Suns over the Clippers. Partially because it will be interesting to see who is fooled by the Suns run to give Tim Thomas another huge contract next year.

    OMG, Pat Burke just hit a 3 pointer from 4 feet behind the arc. This is the most embarassing loss in Lakers history! Suns! Suns! Suns! Fun'n Gun Suns!
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    I've got to laugh Micro... in the same zone again. I logged on just to post the very same thought. I never really was that interested in Nash until he joined the Suns last year and then he just blew me away. He's really a delight to watch work his magic within the system they've set up there in Phoenix. And then, I appreciate his broad-mindedness and intelligence off the court as well. Not to mention the header to Amare for the dunk during last year's dunk competition was a joy.
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    How Zen got 3 wins is crazy. Good riddance Kobe.
    Kooooobe, Kobe. Koooooooobe, Kobe.
    And who is this Raja Bell chap?
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    Griffin: How about those Pistons?

    The Pistons were Transcendence yesterday. Almost a spiritual quality to their play. Grace in movement. You know, to me at one point Big Ben, Tay, Sheed, RIP and Chauncey could have started just elevating to basketball heaven.

    I am dogsitting so not at home, where I always videotape every single Pistons game for later dissection. I am so disappointed that I don't have this Game 1 vs. Cleveland on tape.

    It wasn't a basketball game, it was a spontaneous work of art. Transcendence indeed!
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    Aurora's quoting this reminded me that I had wanted to respond as well griffin. To me this makes perfect sense, all the way through. I've been practicing Zen for the last eight years, and what you are describing sounds a lot like non-attachment, at least as I've experienced it in some modest ways. In Zen the main effect is overcoming your attachment to your "self" as a bounded entity separate from (and often in competition) with other entities. But the practice winds up kind of "seeping" so that you begin to notice all the other things and outcomes that you have a strong investment in (and a correspondingly strong fear of losing). In Zen practice, you learn to observe that these investments come and go (remember that girl or boy you thought you'd die without? or game 7 of the finals last year?). Little by little, though they continually crop up, they begin to hold less power over your thoughts and emotions. And you can view them somewhat more ironically or dispassionately, like something human beings seem built to sort of secrete, but of no more importance than other autonomic functions like sweating. At the same time, your view broadens and you experience less fear (because that ONE-THING-UPON-WHICH-LIFE-AND-JOY-DEPENDS is not longer blinding you to the larger play of the world) and you can take more joy.

    I don't know if I've understood you correctly, but it sounds like this is sort of what you are talking about. On the other hand, to really apply in this case, or rather to have what you are calling transcendence tested, I think you are right, the Pistons would have to suck (God forbid!!) so that you'd be forced to face your attachment to their success.

    I've posted something like this idea before, so I apologize for the repetition, but I'm convinced that what plays a huge role in my enjoyment of the Pistons is that they never seem to be a "lock". They can put us through so much (scoring droughts, lackadaisical play, their maddening cool even when they are playing crappy ball against a team they should be demolishing) that by just stepping back a little, we get a regular lesson in how life is never what you think it's going to be, never a sure thing and the main thing is to enjoy the ride, exactly because it's surprising.

    Which makes us Pistons fans, I guess, the most awakened fans of all (that of course being a most un-Zen sentiment).
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    Game 7 is a little fuzzy, but I never thought I could survive without Darko or my childhood crush, Justine.

    He was brought into the L by Larry Brown. He's a defensive specialist. This year, Steve Nash, the Canadian wonderboy 2 time MVP made him a scorer. Apparently Manu Floppilini was upset that he signed with Phoenix because Manu hates playing against him. Personally, I think Manu doesn't like his hairstyle.

    I get it now. Your entire post is about Darko.

    Darko MiliZen.

    I like your thinking. Then we could have found playing time for Delfino and Maxiell. Do you think they would be able to interfere in the affairs of mortals after they ascended? There are rules to this sort of thing.

    Trust me. I watch a lot of Stargate SG1 and Stargate Atlantis. Ascending is tricky business.
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    Oh boy Micro. Again on the same channel. Only this time, you at least have the presence of mind and courage to really come out. :hail:

    These two programs have been a regular part of my life now for several years. It's hard enough to tell people that I watch BSG (but at least that has a kind of artsy/political cache to it). But SG-1 and Stargate Atlantis?? My own children call me "40 year old virgin" (and thereby falsify the claim -- at least i'm still logical-er than they are). :nerd:

    Ascending is a VERY tricky business, but there seems to be some flexibility on that no interference rule (as there should be -- if ascending is at all worthwhile it would be to get around that whole pesky inflexible rules thing). :rapture:
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    Re: Griffin: How about those Pistons?

    Everything you've said is True.

    Prof, you've really outdone yourself. I feel like I owe you money after that analysis. Does this mean I'm zen? Because I'd love to tell people I am "zen."

    However, I do believe my "transcendence" is superficial. Now that the first round is done and the Pistons are playing a team I like to see lose, I can feel the spell breaking. It's as though - after Kobe's Game 4 game winner - the gods of the NBA tightened the reigns and made things go back to normal. No more miracles. No more floating in space.

    I'm going to conclude this discussion for now, but not for good.
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    Re: Griffin: How about those Pistons?

    Yes, Kobe tried to defy the NBA Gods by brute skill [something the Gods appreciate] and force the Fakers into level 2 deity. Nice try Kob. Zen rejected due to wrong amounts of selfishness. [His balls were lying]
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    Grievances and Grieving

    I am so crushed that we have lost Big Ben today. :faint: I feel both brokenhearted and furious about it. I was planning on taking a trip to Detroit next season to see the "best starting five in the league" play at home in the Palace. So I'm sad that I can't do that now and that I won't ever see Ben in a Pistons uniform again.:mad: :Cry: :hurt:

    I'm also furious because it didn't need to happen. :nono: I blame Flip and Joe: Flip because he ruined the team I fell in love with and turned them into a shadow of their former greatness, and Joe because he decided to save money at risk of losing Ben. I'm so angry about it that I don't even know whether I want to be a Pistons fan anymore.:mad2: How can I give my fan heart to an organization that has the power to break my heart by being so incompetent? Joe lost Ben and Flip is a disaster. And now I have to watch the team I love go down down down for reasons that could have been prevented easily?:scared:

    There is only one tiny little silver lining and that is that Ben went to the Chicago Bulls, my basketball affair team. So I can continue to follow Ben playing for a team that I actually like, but this is bitter bitter solace. And it feels kinda like cheating somehow:confused:. (I mean, what about Rip?:) )

    My Pistons, my first love, my team of exquisite defensive intensity...gone. Gone for good now. :rip: That is Flip's fault mostly but also Joe's for hiring an "offensive genius" and not intervening on Flip's ruinous impact on the team. And then for Joe to trade Darko and then not sign Ben. Horrifying. :mmph:

    Anyway I just need to express my feelings, so please don't anybody post telling me that I'm wrong, unfair, hysterical etc.:blah: I chose to put this post in this thread because it's an abandoned thread about falling in love with basketball teams and players.

    I think it's ON TOPIC to be emotional without necessarily being sensible with solutions. I don't have solutions about lineups and trades and making the money work, because I'm just a grieving fan tonight. :pout: :pout: :pout:

    In other words, the Scarlet Letter thread is safe for grieving however anyone needs to. Feelings are just feelings, not right or wrong, so if anyone has any that they want to express post them here.:grouphug:
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    Re: Grievances and Grieving

    Confession... I've been dating Mr. D's grand daughter... the plan was to inherit the riches and rule the glass Palace... unfortunately I just found out that the grand kid lux tax kicked in on her older sister.... so we have to move to Chicago and live in a cardboard box... man this day sucks :faint2:
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    Re: Grievances and Grieving

    wow that really sucks:mad: ...well cheer up at least you two will be panhandling on the streets of a possible playoff contender with Ben on the Bulls...because we know it's really all about the basketball...good luck with your future plans in the Windy City...:laugh:

    Now back to mourning the loss of Big Ben.

    The Palace won't look near as festive without all the Fear the Fro signs and all the fans in Ben Fan Fro Wigs.

    :hurt:
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    Re: Moving On of Sorts

    I have never known another Detroit Pistons starting five since I became a fan. I'm really in shock, all the hype about this group staying together for many years to come and contending for that long too.

    Also, I've been so preoccupied with Ben's free agent status since the end of the playoffs that I almost forgot that my absolute favorite Piston is Rip Hamilton. All this grief is interfering with my fan bond with Rip.:)

    This would be easier if I didn't have to wait so long to see our new team play. I know I would feel reassured if I could just see Rip, Tay, Sheed and Chauncey play basketball together again. And lord, how I wonder how they feel about Ben leaving, or if it really is just business for them. They won a ring together and expected to win more rings. Then again, they have all been traded before except for Tay. My guess is they are taking all this much better than fans like me.

    Maybe following Summer League will ease the pain. I hope I can watch on the internet. I'm curious to see some of our young guys play and I think it would take the edge off the loss to see the future instead of looking back so much. GO PISTONS!

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