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  1. Ernie the Slow Adult

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    They need to find a team that's in win now mode and desperate.
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    Smith is a better player than Monroe at the PF spot.

    We can also go to Jennings for a shot. That didn't pan out so well.

    In Chicago he was a 19/6/4 guy getting paid $11m a year. He was elite defensively at the 3 spot. He can shoot from range. He is a smart passer and makes cuts. He has a lot of stamina. Outside of guys on rookie contracts, I can't see many options to replicate that kind of production for that kind of money.
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    The only difference that I see between these two guys is one guy can score from anywhere on the floor while the other guy can score from anywhere under the basket.
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    We were that desperate team, weren't we ?
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  5. Ernie the Slow Adult

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    Yes, we set the bar high for desperation.

    Lakers, Nets. Maybe a team like Milwaukee once their new owners start getting that itch.
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    You can get 80% of that for a lot less if you're smart. I am done paying big $$ FA to walk through the door. It never works out.
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    I'm not saying that they're identical twins.

    I hate using the last 5 games of a bad, bad teams season as a barometer, but I thought Monroe and Drummond looked really good together and complimented each other well. This spread throughout the rest of the roster.
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    Smith and drummond might work out well together too. Josh is a good and surprisingly willing passer. His three point stroke stinks, but he can at least stretch the D more than monroe. Also, he's a tremendous shot blocker compared to monroe. If GM would have played small forward all season, he would have looked terrible too.
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    ...Man.
    If Stan is left with a situation where he has to pick between Josh Smith and Greg Monroe, I'm not sure what he should do.
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    Player: PER/ WS-48/ TS% (for their careers)
    Smith: 17.9/ .091/ .510
    Monroe: 19.3/ .126/ .545

    In terms of these 3 key metrics, Monroe is a better player. Factor in age and he's much more desirable for another team.

    However, we are already committed to Josh for multiple years and we destroyed his market value last season by allowing him to play undisciplined and out of position. So, we are probably stuck with him unless we give away assets to induce another team to take him.

    In addition, Monroe is about to get major paid. And then there is the fit thing. Would we rather have a good offensive PF with a weak defensive game or would we rather have a strong defender with inefficient offensive habits.

    Neither is ideal, but given the cards that we've been dealt, I think that we are stuck going down the Smith route. At least his offensive game is correctable if he'll listen to the new coach. Monroe's defensive game might be improvable, but it would take much more of a transformation. If Josh Smith had a shock collar that went off whenever he wound up outside the college 3-point line, he'd be cured in a week.
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    What do Drummond's numbers look like when paired with each of these guys on the floor?
    ...Drummond with Smith (Monroe on the bench).
    ...Drummond with Monroe (Smith on the bench).
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    Monroe isn't the size of a SF.

    How long will it be before they're left with an undersized PF with no hops and a 10 cent head?

    Smith plays 1 position (allegedly) while Monroe can play 2.
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    My guess is that these two will be much different players under SVG.
    This will make his choice easy, although his plan could involve a moving-on situation.
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    Yabut, we aren't really choosing between the two of them.

    Option 1: Monroe. We would need to extend him at the max or very close to it. Then, we would need to find a trading partner for Smith. The trade would likely include a talented young player (like KCP) or a future first round draft pick.

    Option 2: Smith. We would ride out the final year of Moose's contract and let him expire. Or we would do a sign and trade and get near fair value back for him.


    If we had a blank slate, then I'd go with Monroe because of his age.
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    Flip Saunders, Steve Kerr, Quin Snyder, Derek Fisher, Tyronn Lue, Alvin Gentry. Now tell me SVG isn't worth the money Detroit gave him.
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    They are saying Derek Fisher is getting paid 5m a year for 5 years. That is just stupid. Stephen Kerr is on similar money. Stupid.

    We are paying SVG 7m a year to do 2 jobs.
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    That's some Platinum Equity **** right there.

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    Fisher is making 5x more as a coach than a player. Though one may argue he had no business being on a basketball court in the first place.

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