Round 2 Game 4 - 7pm Mon May 15 Det at Clev

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  1. roscoe36

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    Low, I think that the Pistons couldn't get enough calls to win a tight game at the FT line. It certainly did not help that they kept shooting out of focus jumpers either.

    If you look at the FT variance from the previous games, it's very obvious that the Pistons were not aggressive offensively and put no pressure on the Cavs from a foul count perspective.

    Was the officiating horrendous? Hell ya. Good teams can overcome that. The refs always end up benefitting the aggressor. Case in point, when LeBron raised his game and the Pistons folded down the stretch, there was no way the refs were going to bail the Pistons out.

    Love Sheed, but he's gotta play through all that instead of turtling.
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    i agree with micro on this... it's clear with this team (and maybe it's just true of the game in general) that offense and defense work symbiotically and i for one wouldn't feel comfortable asserting priority to one or the other. on the one hand, i can see that stops create run-outs and easier plays on offense that help the players not only get easy baskets but also get a scoring rhythm going. but on the other hand, i can also see that executing the offense so as to get easy shots or trips to the foul line help prevent easy run outs by the other team, allow the defense to set up, etc..

    that's why i think aggressiveness (or intensity, if you prefer) is the key term that ought to be driving the play on both ends. and in fact, if it's there on one end, it is more likely to be there (or to come soon enough on the other). i think that's one thing that flip said early in the season that did make sense to me: challenging his players to be as intense on offense as they always had been on defense. and offensive intensity, in my opinion, doesn't necessarily mean always going to the bucket, though it certainly includes that when the opening is there; it also means cutting hard, making crisp accurate passes, being mentally aware of situation, clock, and where everyone is on the floor, setting firm picks, getting your legs under you and squaring up on your jump shots -- wherever they are from, and following shots (if that's your job).

    i won't dismiss a certain lebron favoritism on the part of the officials, but i do believe that such star-favoritism will be outweighed in an officials mind by the intensity and aggressiveness of a team on both ends of the floor. indeed, though it border on sacrilege here to say so, i think lebron tends to get the calls when he ups his offensive intensity (which in his case means not settling for two dribbles and a fade away jumper).

    anyway, intensity of course, being a psychological quality, can be notoriously elusive and fleeting, especially when one is playing an opponent against which one has experienced seemingly easy success. the ideal would be for our guys to have the psychological resources to bring intensity every game for the whole game. that would be cool. it would also make them an exception to the vast majority of the human beings i have known, whether athletes or not. moreoever, i think intensity, like any positive quality, needs to exist in a balance with its counterpart: coolness, for lack of a better word. they aren't opposite, they actually go together. sometimes, maybe the pistons let their coolness (which seems to come naturally to at least four of the starting five -- excepting ben, maybe) veer into complacency. this is a lot of rambling just to say i feel like i can really sympathize with the difficulty of maintaining intensity and coolness in a productive tension. and that clearly, they need tonight to ratchet up their intensity -- on BOTH ends of the court -- without letting it become "pressing".
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    i'm happy sheed made the quote simply because it feels like tonight the playoffs are starting. i've gone to 4 of 5 home games at the palace and the wins are so easy that it just feels like regular season blowouts with nothing to get too excited over.

    anyone else feel that way? like almost a letdown of excitement for the playoffs to this point?
  4. Dumars4Ever

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    Those are some really interesting numbers, Professor. You know an analogy that just came to mind for me, which I had never thought of before, but will make sense to long-time tennis fans: Pete Sampras, in his prime, had a similar dynamic in terms of the rankings of his opponents in the big tournaments, including the 4 Grand Slams. When he would lose in one of those tournaments, it was usually to some guy rated quite low, like 50-100 or something. But his record against other top 5/top 10 players in the biggest matches was spectacular. There was a several-year run where if he got to the quarters or farther in a Grand Slam and played other top-rated guys (as one usually will that deep into those tournaments), he was essentially unbeatable. If anyone was going to beat him in one of those tournaments, it was almost always going to have to be some much lower-rated guy upsetting him in the 3rd or 4th round.
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    Warts, let's lose one more game and see how many jump off the bridge!
    I remember Pete S, the only thing that could beat him was shin splints.
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    Sheed is gonna come out determined to stick his boot in the Cavs posteriors.The team will have his back.Pistons gotta win by 10+ and make the crap calls not a factor.
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    Any body counting sheeds techs.
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    I think he has 2. He really held off last game. You could tell that he is rationing them and doesn't want to spend them all in one series.
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    I hate losses. Losing is a scary thing. A loss is like a mysterious virus. You never quite know when or how you contracted whatever it was that turned things upside down. No matter what your course of remedy you never feel back to normal till it's long gone.

    The most frightening thing is once it appears you're never sure if it is the 24 hour type or a precursor to pneumonia.

    Come on Stones, a game 4 win is our penicillin.

    LET"S SHAKE THIS THING.
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    To this point, Flip is being severly outcoached by Mike Brown. Hopefully Flip has counter adjustments, but ever since Mike Brown has made the following lineup a big part of the rotation they have been killing us...

    PG- Damon Jones
    SG- Flip Murray (or Hughes)
    SF- Lebron
    PF- Marshall
    C- Varejao

    Unlike Snow or Hughes, Damon Jones has to be covered on the perimeter, so Billups/Rip can't help off them. Marshall takes Sheed out of the paint and stops him from help defending on Lebron and rotating to Varejao/Z when Ben goes to help on Lebron. Varejao is the kicker. He has killed us on Ben's double teams every single time he steps on the floor.
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    Mo Evans had one of his top 5 games of the season, Flip, but he's not a power forward, and he doesn't intimidate in the paint. Remember DD? Anyone?

    Whichever way this game turns out, this was an absolutely brilliant performance from Rip Hamilton. Ben Wallace played huge at times as well.

    Sheed was clearly affected by the injury, and the "MVP" let Eric Snow get into his head as usual.
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    There doesn't seem to be any kind of gameplan. The Pistons just freelance.

    So much for Guaransheed. They are chanting it now. Wonderful.
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    :hug::rockon::lalala:
    I love you, Flip.
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    Well, I'm definitely concerned now. The Pistons showed no heart and no brains at all in the 4th quarter. Really, really bad loss. Cleveland wasn't playing all that well either, certainly not Lebron, missing shots and bricking FTs all over the place. But the Pistons gave it to them anyway.
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    This is where LB would have a good set ready for the last 5 posesions. Flip's brilliant play? Let my two non-knowing-how to penetrate -guards just go one on one! The coach and a weakazz talkin power Forward lost this game for us! Sheed better avg 22PPG from here out , but in my mind he lost a lot of fans and he may have lost a little of himself.
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    The players have gotten arrogant and think they are better than they really are. You don't win games by just showing up!!:frusty:

    Maybe this loss and being 2-2 will straighten these guys out. They created a series when they could have had the last game. The Cavs would have been deflated being 3 down. In the playoffs every game counts and the Pistons pissed away Game 3.
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    Kind of a scary loss if you ask me. James shoots just 8 of 23 and the Pistons still can't win. Chauncey was flat-out horrible. I'm guessing his head has been reduced to its normal, preseason size. Tay was good in stretches. Rip was the only warrior although Ben played hard as usual. Bench letting the team down big time. They produced seven points tonight. They have 16 in the last two games. I felt Flip was outcoached. Brown had Gooden, Z and Marshell on the bench so he must have known the right guys to have in there. He went small and they beat us. Time to make adjustments for Game 5. I hope Sheed is OK. Detroit will need him. They have to get back to the great ball movement they had early on during the season. Right now, they are moving backward. And there's no way Rip is gonna get that foul at the end. No way. If that's what Detroit was hoping for, you gotta be kidding me. The Pistons' strength in these playoffs have been the open 3. That's what they should have tried. If you're hoping to drive to the hoop and get a foul, you're dreaming. Most refs swallow the whistle with 10 seconds to play. If that was Flip's grand plan, he's outta his league.

    Also, some fans may have seen this as biased on the referees' part. I don't think so. Cleveland was whistled for more fouls. Detroit went to the line more than Cleveland did. The NBA conspiracy thing doesn't explain tonight's loss in my mind.
  19. RipBillupsRJC

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    Sickening. Fire Flip. I don't care about the championship this year. Trade Chauncey and Rasheed. They're overrated. H***, trade the whole team for a second round pick. . Wait. I'm overreacting-- Wait! I'm not! F*** the refs. Did you see that shi*?
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    GREAT GAME!!!

    Oh wait a second. No it wasn't. Actually, it was a pathetic performance from a "championship caliber" team. A "4th Quarter" team. A team that "closes out games". "Unflappable", blah blah blah.

    My game 5 wish list:

    - Bring back LB
    - Get Sheet a muzzel
    - play like its game 7
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