Rotations - Part Trois

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  1. KGREG

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    Oh please Oh please Oh please Oh please Oh please Oh please!!!!!!
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    Maybe we can trade him for Melo.
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    Is this Jerebko's planned speech to get more minutes..............
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    Jerebko isn't out of the rotation because he is a bad guy, its because he wasn't able to contribute in a meaningful way. You can't just throw your toys because you can't hit the broadside of a barn in open daylight.

    Having said that, he is a decent trade piece.
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    My plan to get Melo (and Lala) absolutely hinges in clearing JJ's $4.5M off the books!
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    JJ will have a fair shot with Coach Cheeks to earn playing time. If he is out of the rotation, I'm sure Jerebko's dad will make some noise.
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    Going to bat for Jerebko (his dad PM'd me this and I'm just passing it on).

    JJ played well toward the end of the season when he got minutes. He came off of an achilles tear and never got settled in with the clueless coach (who never got settled in with management).

    In his top 10 games in minutes played, he was in double digit scoring every time with incredible shooting efficiency:

    min: pts/ reb/ 3PM/ eFG%
    29: 15/ 7/ 1/ .393
    29: 18/ 2/ 1/ .611
    28: 20/ 5/ 0/ .643
    28: 15/ 6/ 0/ .750
    28: 14/ 8/ 1/ .611
    28: 21/ 8/ 2/ .556
    27: 19/ 5/ 2/ .700
    27: 17/ 9/ 1/ .938
    27: 12/ 4/ 1/ .644
    25: 11/ 6/ 1/ .563

    If he gets 25 min or more, he basically good for 16 points, 6 rebs, and 1 defense stretching 3-point make. Doesn't turn it over much and doesn't block any shots. Only 1 of his top 10 minutes games featured effective shooting percentage under .556!


    His per minute stats are fine. In 2013:

    highest points per minute of his career
    same rebounding rate
    highest assist rate of his career by a lot
    highest steal rate of his career
    eFG of .489 vs career .503
    highest PER of his career at 15.7
    highest usage of his career (signaling that he's not just getting pure garbage efficiency)



    With all that being said, I agree that he's odd man out. We have other guys that can score and rebound at SF and PF. They are better than he is.
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    I like Jerebko; he's our only Swede!

    But, if he isn't going to play, I think we could trade him for Melo. If the Knicks offer Melo and some filler or a pick, we should be able to get it done. Melo off the bench should help the Pistons, and make KGreg happy.

    Get it done, Joe!
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    Fixed that for ya.
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    If Pizza guy can give you the same thing that Jeb gives you at 1/2 the price; sure - trade Jonas.
    I like the guy and want him to have a successful career.
    ...seems like he got "Franked" last year so I'd like to see him get a shot at some PT irregardless of whether it's in Detroit or not.
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    Well, Knight won't be a PG on Pistons, but now we have Jennings
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    And now we'll need a new rotations thread.
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    JJ, at his very best offensively, still gives up more points on defense than he delivers on offense. This includes his rebounding, which has been in the past more than ok for a small forward. He is serious case of a tweener, no way big enough to play in the NBA at power forward, and no way fast enough to play at small forward in the NBA.

    Even though Rip is a free agent, can a team, such as Chicago, sign him just to trade him to us. Or has that ship sailed and we just have to negotiate directly with him on a contract? Can we sign him and and go over the level at which we start paying luxury tax? Well, if we can sign him cheap enough, there is no way we should not do it, who cares what he did, he is a Detroit Champion, and can come back to play any time for Detroit in my book.

    Ok, so we sign Rip, who agrees to come off the bench with Billups.

    Start: Jennings, Pope, Smith, Monroe, Drummond (They all sub out as a unit after 9 minutes)

    2nd unit: Billups, Rip, Datome, Mitchell, (Monroe or Drummond staying over with the 2nd unit.)

    Lets say Monroe and Smith are sitting for the last few minutes of the first quarter. They both come right back in to start the 2nd quarter, giving a unit for the next 6 minutes of:

    Billups, Rip, Mitchell, Smith, Monroe.

    (Note, Datome was just snuck in for 3 minutes, before the other team could key on his poor defense.) (I'll count Smith as the power forward here as that is what he will be doing on offense, although he and Mitchell are interchangeable on defense.)

    Now at the 6 minute mark of the 2nd, the other 3 starters back:

    Jennings, Pope, Smith, Monroe, Drummond.

    With 3 minutes to go in the 2nd quarter, time to sit both Monroe and Smith, who have logged 18 minutes each in the first half:

    Jennings, Pope, Datome, Mitchell, Drummond. (again, Datome just snuck in for a few minutes)

    For first half minutes: (Jennings 15, Billups 9), (Pope 15, Rip 9), (Smith 12, Mitchell 6, Datome 6) (Monroe 12, Smith 6, Mitchell 6), (Drummond 18, Monroe 6)

    Based on the first half, the projected minutes for each player in the game would be:

    Jennings 30, Billups 18, Pope 30, Rip 18, Smith 36, Datome 12, Mitchell 24, Monroe 36, Drummond 36
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    Rip was not very good last year.
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    I am making further comments on the rotation I just posted. Read it before reading this.

    Drummond may not be able to play 36 minutes, and Datome might not be much of shooter if given such short minutes and maybe not ever getting into shooting rythm. So, here and there, sit Drummond for a few minutes, moving Mitchell or Smith up to power forward and Monroe to center. Leaving room for Datome to come in and take a few shots. And get right back out of the game before his defense is exploited.

    For instance, we could briefly see this unit, with Drummond sitting at the 6 minute mark of the first half for three minutes:

    Jennings, Pope, Datome, Smith, Monroe. Here you have three good outside shooters in to create some space for your two fine post up players, both of whom can pass to each other.

    Same unit could be seen from minutes 6-9 of the 2nd. Datome probably won't finish games, so if he needs minutes, we are going to have to find times here and there to sneak him in for some shots. And make that mostly in quarters 1, 2, and 3, concentrating his shots in the shortest time - frame possible. Basically, playing Datome more makes him a sharper shooter, and Drummond a fresher player to end games.
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    Billups and Bynum are probably short-term players. Stuckey and BoT will be gone soon. Jerebko hasn't shown much since his injury. That leaves a pretty young team (age in parenthesis) that could grow together over the next few years.

    Starters:
    PG - Jennings (23)
    SG - Pope (20)
    SF - Smith (27)
    PF - Drummond (19)
    C - Monroe (23)

    Subs:
    Datome (25)
    Mitchell (21)
    Singler (25)
    Siva (22)
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    We are getting some serious lineup churning in one season. When was the last time we has this much upheaval?

    Gone from the start of last season:
    Knight
    Prince
    Middleton
    Maggette
    Daye
    English
    Calderon
    Maxiell
    Kravtsov

    We just shed 9 guys without really losing anyone that derails our rebuilding effort.
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    I think we are missing some appreciation threads....
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