Rotations - Part Trois

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  1. roscoe36

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    Some people see the players as chess pieces. Some people see the players as jazz musicians. Some people see the players as statistics.

    I can understand not liking a guy like Bynum, because the best aspects of his game cannot be quantified and relies on a depth of perception which detects intangibles.

    There is no "metric" for driving into the paint, splitting defenders and kissing the ball off the glass with your off hand. There is no metric to measure how sick an alley oop was thrown no-look over a much taller defender.

    Worrying primarily about things like height, instead of qualitative elements of play is what leads people to believe that Austin Daye is a quality NBA player and Will Bynum is not.
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    If Bynum, for a moment even, could run a team like a point guard should, keeping all the players involved and getting the plays set up for everyone, I would say let him play. But he can't. Not for a moment. Every minute with Bynum on the floor means our offense gets stupider. Height is not everything. Barros was just as short, probably a tad shorter, but could defend. Bynum can't defend anyone in the league not named Nate Robinson. I am a results oriented guy. An occasional alley oop to Drummond, followed typically by points given up by Bynum readily at the other end is not enough reason to keep him in the NBA.
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    You won't see Stuckey in many of my rotations either.
  4. roscoe36

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    I don't believe the numbers bear this out.
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  6. Lee356

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    Two rotations. One, with the players we have signed at the moment. A second assuming we sign English now that we have room for him on the roster. (and Siva of course.)

    PS, if we only use Smith at power forward, and Mitchell only at power forward, and Monroe only at power forward or center and Drummond at center, hey, we don't really need to sign another big. CV, for now, can be the emergency center.

    Both rotations use whole units, making substitution patterns real simple.

    Without signing English:

    Start Jennings, Pope, Datome, Smith, Drummond.

    Here, the pick and roll is the order of the day, all night long. Two of our weaker defenders in Jennings and Datome, but three of our strongest defenders to counter that.

    2nd unit: Siva, Billups, Singler, Mitchell, Monroe

    For this unit, the main focus is to get the ball into Monroe for a post up move. The other team will have to play their center the whole 48 or let a 2nd unit guy guard Monroe. Works for us either way.

    Now, I like this unit a bit better though. Sign English, and use:

    Start same, Jennings, Pope, Datome, Smith, Drummond

    2nd unit: Billups, English, Singler, Mitchell, Monroe.

    Despite the poor showing in the summer league, we know English can shoot the ball. This gives better floor spacing for Monroe to operate in. And this lets Billups play some point guard.

    And, with this 2nd unit, we really don't need Singler for his outside shooting. Lets sign the 6-6 Tony Mitchell, formerly with Alabama, and use him for the backup small forward. More scoring, better defense.
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    I don't know if anyone is using it as a meme, but I tend to think the ability to stay in front of your man on defense is pretty important.
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    Kentavious hasn't played a single minute in a real game as a Piston, and you are already calling him one of our top three defenders?

    I hope you are right.
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    Actually, 4 of the 5 guys haven't played a single minute in a real game as a Piston.
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    I don't know if he's a top-3 defensive guy when you look at the entire Pistons roster but I saw enough of him in the OSL to think that he's one of our better perimetor defense dudes (it's not like we have a team full of Tony Allens that he has to surpass).
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    Ok, so I will rank the Pistons defensively. Sometimes based on reports since I never saw the guy actually play. I will include English here just in case he finds his way back on the team

    1) Drummond
    2) Smith
    3) Pope
    4) Mitchell
    5) Siva
    6) English
    7) Stuckey
    8) Monroe
    9) Billups
    10)Jennings
    11) Datome
    12) Singler
    13) JJ
    14) Bynum
    15) CV

    Now for offensively)

    1) Smith
    2) Jennings
    3) Monroe
    4) Pope
    5) Billups
    6) Drummond
    7) Datome
    8) Stuckey
    9) English
    10) CV
    11) Bynum
    12) Mitchell
    13) Singler
    14) JJ
    15) Siva

    Now, from there, look for the lowest point total from the two lists combined. (They can range from2 to 30)

    Smith) 3
    Drummond) 7
    Pope) 7
    Monroe) 11
    Jennings) 13
    Billups) 14
    English)15
    Stuckey) 15
    Mitchell) 16
    Datome) 18
    Siva) 20
    Singler) 25
    Bynum) 25
    CV) 25
    JJ) 27
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    You forgot Middleton.
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    He plays for Milwaukee now.
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    You must be new here.

    My starting rotation:

    Mejia, English, Middleton, Amir, Macklin
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    GOSH DAMNIT!

    Also, Monroe is most likely our best offensive option in term of efficiency. Smith is more of an awesome 2 way player.
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    Using Hollinger's PER rankings from last year:

    Rank Player PER
    17 Drummond 21.69
    35 Monroe 19.52
    64 Smith 17.82
    97 Bynum 16.62
    108 Jennings 16.20
    123 Jerebko 15.72
    --- Billups 15.00
    169 Villanueva 14.08
    204 Stuckey 13.00
    301 Singler 10.02

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    Here is one way to look at it:

    Points + assists x 2 + offensive rebounds (per 36)

    Will Bynum: 33.2
    Jennings: 30.7
    J Smith: 28.2
    Monroe: 27.8
    Pope: 24.6 (college)
    Billups: 24.4
    Datome: 23.2 (Euro league)
    Villanueva: 20.6
    Drummond: 18.6


    Desperation comeback unit:

    PG: Bynum
    SG: Jennings
    SF: Datome
    PF: Smith
    C: Monroe
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    So PER and TASer both say Bynum is our best guard. Intredasting.
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    I'm not saying best, just explosive offensively. he scores and assists at a very high rate.

    drummond with bynum on the floor might actually rank pretty high too.
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    TaS, could you analyze Bynum for us defensively? It seems to me defensive impact is harder to measure because there are less metrics with direct correlation to action than there are on offense.

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