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Rotations, part... Joe D: Jennings isn't guaranteed a starter job

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  1. The Panda

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    Regardless of the listing, I think that Drummond is actually shooting 100% from the free throw line.
     
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    So here's what I see:
    PG: Jennings - Bynum
    SG: Pope - Stuckey
    SF: Smith - Singler
    PF: Monroe - Chaz
    C: Drummond - Harrellson
    I like it! If everybody can do what they're supposed to do.

    The ifs.
    If Jennings will cut back on the And-1 streetball stuff. If Jennings will stop chucking. If Jennings' jumper becomes more consistent. If Jennings will fight through the pick and roll. If Jennings will hustle on Defense.
    If KCP can start making shots.
    If Stuckey can keep up the good play.
    If Smith will stop launching from the perimeter. If Smith will start rotating out to challenge shooters.
    If Singler can play at his best for 82 games..........ie make shots and defend.
    If Monroe will defend the PCM and roll better and stop yelling at the refs so much.
    If Chaz......why even bother.
    If Drummond keeps developing his jump hook and get shoot 50% from the line.
    If Harrellson can keep doing what he's doing.
     
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    I wish we had 5 Jorts, so we could play an all Jorts lineup.
     
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    Yes, I can see how "Lee wants to get rid of them" is confusing.
     
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    So I'm on record as being HIGHLY critical of Brandon Jennings (yeah I know, that an understatement...but hey, I'm not nearly as disgusted with his PG play as I was the other Brandon's), but over the last 5 games here are his stats:
    38.4 MPG (An Iron Man)
    46.2 FG% (Super efficient and a HUGE leap in % for him)
    43.5 3FG% (Impressive)
    16.2 PPG on only 13 shots/game.
    8.6 Asts and 3 Rebs/game

    Now the bad: shooting 73.3% from the FT-line and averaging 4.4 TO's/game

    Brandon has been impressive, under control (save for a few TO's) and limiting the Chucks. If the kid can cut down on the dribbling, take a little bit better care of the ball and knock down his ft's at a better rate.......I'll be THOROUGHLY IMPRESSED......although does that really mean anything?
     
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    You're a tough critic. It means a lot to me.
     
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    73.3% makes him the guy on this team you want to make sure gets the ball when you know the other team is going to foul.
     
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    You are a good person.
     
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    You're not helping Ernie!
     
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    So the more I look at this team play the more I think you have to make a conscious effort to limit the amount of time that Dre and Moose play together. If Dre plays 34 mpg, that's 14 minutes where Moose should be playing Center with SMITH (not Jorts, JJ or Chaz) at PF. My point, Moose and Dre should NEVER be on the bench at the same time. The problem with this......with both of them starting and Dre playing SOOOOO well as of late it's kind of hard to take him off the court early in the first qtr.
     
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    I agree.
     
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    Not as much growth as the incredible growing Amir Johnson. It's classic Dumars. He understands how to stroke his fan base. There's a reason that Dre is listed at 6'10, even though that's his height in bare feet. If he sucked for a year or two, then he would need to grow a bit. He'll be 7'0 when he signs his next deal.
     
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    Goal, Smith playing 8 minutes at shooting guard, Pope 40. And Stuckey at backup point for 16 minutes, Jennings 32 minutes there. Mitchell plays heavily. Jorts plays a large role.

    Siva is the emergency point.

    No role for Bynum, Billups, JJ, Singler, Datome, CV.

    Start Jennings, Pope, Smith, Monroe, Drummond

    At 4 minutes left in the quarter, bring in Harrellson for Drummond, Mitchell in at small forward. Smith moves over to shooting guard to spell Pope. Stuckey comes in for Jennings. Monroe stays out there at power forward.

    The unit for the last four minutes of the 1st, and 3rd quarters:

    Stuckey, Smith, Mitchell, Monroe, Harrellson.

    Harrellson steps outside to draw off a big. Mitchell is in for rebounding. Monroe is our main scoring threat, although Stuckey is a close second. If they take their eye off Smith, he cuts or drives in.

    To start the 2nd, and 4th, quarters:

    Stuckey, Pope, Mitchell, Smith, Drummond.

    Middle four minutes of 2nd and 4th quarters:

    Jennings, Pope, Mitchell, Monroe, Harrellson.

    Last 4 minutes of the first half, and the game:

    Jennings, Pope, Smith, Monroe, Drummond.

    For minutes, that is:

    Jennings 32, Stuckey 16, Pope 40, Smith 40, Mitchell 24, Monroe 40, Drummond 32, Harrellson 16

    I believe enough games will end in large leads for us, to where we would not have to actually play our guys quite this many minutes.

    PS, why Stuckey at point: He does all his best work with the ball. Indeed, according to 82games.com, he wins the PER battle vs. his opponent 39.6 to 10.4 as a point guard. He does ok at shooting guard too, but just wins out 16.4 to 14.6.
     
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    Starting unit: Smith Jorts Mitchell Monroe Drummond

    Play to our strengths and go huge. Smiths is able to play PG with his passing skills. Jorts can stretch the floor at SG. Mitchell brings hustle and rebounding at SF. Our bigs as bigs. This unit have a massive size advantage.

    Bench unit: Siva Bynum Pope Singler Jerebko

    When the opposition adapts to our big lineup the appropriate counter-strategy is to go small and blow by their slow players. Siva and Bynum combines for a very quick back court. The movement of Pope and Singler will confuse any SF/PF combination in the L. If Popes shot isn't falling, play Stuckey at SF. Jerebko grabs the offensive boards at C. This unit have a massive speed advantage.
     
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    From the Pistons Happenings thread
    This should definitely be given a try, if Josh would be up for it
    Drummond
    Monroe
    Singler (I would prefer maybe JJ, or Gigi if he could hit a shot but that will never happen)
    KCP
    Jennings

    then

    Monroe
    Smith
    Singler
    Stuckey
    Jennings

    then

    Harrelson/Drummond
    Smith
    JJ
    Stuckey
    Chauncy


    The article makes an interesting point, that Monroe is actually holding PFs below the league average on D. I agree with the article that he is a better defender at PF than just getting dominating in the block by the big Cs.
    For the life of me though, I can't understand why we have moved away from running the offence through him. He continues to be our most consitent scorer when we go to him and his passing on the elbow could be a real asset. The one thing he needs to work on though to really be good in this area would be setting picks.
     
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    Because when we run through him high post/elbow, the defense sags because the fat dancing kid is more likely to hit a shot and we end the possession with a Josh Smith contested 3. Ugly.

    Plenty of people have said this before, but if Monroe adds that 15-18 foot jumper the team will be a lot better. He doesn't have to turn into Chris Bosh or anything like that. Just hit league average from that area, and people can't dare him to shoot.
     
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    I do have a bad memory and will happily be proven wrong on this, but I think that mid range jumper has actually been a lot better this year.
    He has taken less of them but I would think he has made a lot more. Just watching the games, the only time I have felt uncomfortable watching him take one is if he has already missed a bunch of FTs (as he did against the Pelicans).
     
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    I don't care which one starts or comes off the bench. But we need one of them to come off the bench. Not sure Josh or Moose could make the adjustment.
     
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    It is looking better this year. This is 2012-13:
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    And this is what it looks like so far this year:
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    But, the season is young...
     

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