Rotations, part... Joe D: Jennings isn't guaranteed a starter job

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    You point out an exception in order to make a rule?
     
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    When your nick name is "super collider" it is only natural that your game is a paradox.
     
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    I don't think that players do change. At least not fundamentally. Brandon Jennings will never be Chris Paul, but I don't think we want him to either.

    They may add a dimension to their game, maybe two (in rare cases). But rarely does a player completely change their game. Carmelo Anthony never turned into a defensive minded passer, and he never would. Luc Mbah a Moute, by the same token, will never have the same offensive focus or talent as Melo.

    When you look at Lebron, this is a guy who has pretty much averaged 25/8/6 every single season. All that changed is he got more efficient, worked on his jumpshot, and got better on defense. But the focus and energy was always there, only the skill level changed. But he was always a complete player. When you think breakout, you probably think Steph Curry. But the guy was always a lights out shooter and a great passer. Has he got better, sure, but those were always his skills. He hasn't changed as a player.
     
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    First impression is also hard to be changed but condiments might be paled up by our desire.
     
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    Chauncey changed his game quite a bit when he was coached by Larry Brown.
     
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    You may have pointed out an exception here ! :)
     
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    I agree with all of this, but I'll add that the primary reason for this is that it isn't until they get to the NBA that anyone ever tells them that they "need to change." Up until then, they've had hundreds - if not thousands - of people defining their identity as a player. If they're confident enough to get to this level, they usually end up with a chip on their shoulder and/or a posse telling them that it's the GM's or coach's fault, not their skill. And when they are skilled, it's hard to get them to change because they've been working to improve on their strengths for so long that the idea of putting in long hours improving their weaknesses and using (and demonstrating) those weaknesses in-game (where they need to be used in order to improve) is a deeply uncomfortable notion. So mostly they just fall back on old habits, and then tell themselves that they can't change.

    This, I think, is where a developmental league would be helpful for the NBA, for teaching the youngsters how to do things they can't. Sure, for example, Drummond would just destroy everyone down there statistically, but it would also be a safe place to work on his offensive game - unlike now, where a missed or airballed hook shot would be seen by hundreds of thousands or millions of people and may cost his team an important game.
     
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    They have a league like this.
    It's called the National Basketball Developmental League.

    ...The Pistons rarely if ever take advantage of it. (Siva?, Mitchell?)
     
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    I'm aware of the NBADL, and you're right - nobody ever takes advantage of it. It's a shame.
     
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    CB did not fundamentally change his game under Brown. First of all, to change a game, a game must be established. CB had his real break out year under Carlisle. One year does not make a "nature." Further, pretty much the only thing that Brown did do to Billups game is make him, and everybody else on the team, concentrate a lot more on getting the ball inside. Brown's philosophy of trying to get the ball inside as long as there was still 5 seconds on the clock meant that Billups could not nail a three early in the clock. And that is it. The way Billups operated did not change. But if his first move to get the ball inside was thrawted, he simply attempted another way to get the ball inside, instead of shooting. CB's signature move, to dart inside, and make a crisp, and correct, pass before the defense could react, never changed. Indeed, he had to end up doing it more under Brown, as he was called upon to do whatever it took to get that ball inside - again, until there was five seconds or less on the clock.
     
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    Great players can evolve their game as time goes on to adjust to events beyond their control like injuries, old age etc.
    Good players can make incremental changes to their game and improve year after year.
    Mediocre players realize they need to improve their game, but don't have the necessary talent (or interest) to do so.
    Boneheaded players are not even aware that there is something that needs improving.

    There are no players that can change their identity. A scorer will always be a scorer. A defender will always be a defender. A hustle guy will always be a hustle guy.
     
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    Tempted to report this post due to it's off topic content. This is a basketball forum, sir.
     
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    A rotation. Just 7 guys in it.

    Jennings, Pope, Smith, Monroe, Drummond start.

    Siva, Smith, Mitchell, Monroe, Drummond, this unit plays the last 4 minutes of the 1st and 3rd quarters.

    Jennings, Pope, Mitchell, Smith, Monroe, this unit plays the first 4 minutes of the 2nd and 4th.

    Jennings, Pope, Mitchell, Monroe, Drummond, this unit plays the middle 4 minutes of the 2nd and 4th.

    Jennings, Pope, Mitchell, Smith, Drummond, this unit plays the last 4 minutes of the 2nd and 4th.

    For minutes, Siva 8, Mitchell 32, Jennings 40, Pope 40, Smith 40, Monroe 40, Drummond 40
     
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    Siva is too short to defend NBA PGs.
     
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    Not at all. Watch the Knicks game, if you missed it. Siva played and matched up very well defensively.
     
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