Discussion in 'Pistons and NBA' started by TheeTFD, Jul 2, 2016.
yeah 400 min. is too small a sample not
Fair point, but not a fair comparison. That starting 5 was arguably one of the best 5-man unit to ever play the game. If our guys were playing at that level, we'd be talking about back-to-back final appearances right now. We are not there yet. We're closer to the 2002 squad as far as our development stage is concerned.
I got time, why not compare. 2001 - 2002 We started Atkins, Stackhouse, Curry, Cliff, Ben. Our 2nd unit used Cliff from the starters, Damon Jones, Jon Barry, Corliss Williamson, Zelly. Assuming we get Mr. October back maybe by the end of November, for sure thats a whole lot better than Atkins who was a pretty much one dimensional player. Pope can defend, but Stackhouse was a super hero. Just call the backcourt a toss up, I guess. Curry was worthless, so of course our current squad beats that one by lightyears and then some with Harris there. Power forward, we had the best post defender in the league at the time, Cliff Robinson, who was also our 2nd best scorer. The fact he could spread the defense was kind of worthless for the starters but great for the 2nd unit when either of Zelly or Corliss worked their magic inside. In contrast, we are using a weak defender, Morris, as our power forward. Yeah, Morris can have some good scoring games, but Cliff, due to a ton of other contributions from him, easily was the better power forward here. But, Curry was so bad, in all, I give the nod to our current front court. Then you got Ben vs. Dre. Tough call, however, I am going to out on a limb here and say the Dre will have improved so much on his offense this season that everyone will choose Dre as the best here. So in all, yeah, pretty close between the two squads, as for the starters. But then you look at the benches. Detroit had the best bench in the league that year, as far as scoring. Zelly and Corliss taking turns working inside, and Jon Barry and Damon Jones working some serious magic to feed the post perfectly time and again to give our post guys max advantage. With Cliff the glue to the 2nd unit, shoring up the D, adding O, spreading the floor with his 3 point shooting, and did I mention, Cliff set as many picks for us as the rest of the team combined - and they were darn good picks. In contrast, we have a hole named Baynes as our center, a complete non - starter for our 2nd unit. Ish is ok. Not great, but for a backup point, ok. We are not sure who will be our backup shooting guard. SJ is certainly a very good backup small forward, but you obviously can't say he is anywhere near where Corliss was offensively, though certainly SJ is a better defender. At power forward, Leuer is pretty good, Cliff was better. And at center, Zelly was a strong defender, about the best I have ever seen at boxing out for rebounds, so often managing to position himself to block out 2 guys, which is just plain rare. And Zelly had seriously good post up moves. Yeah, not even close. That 2001 - 2002 bench was pretty awesome. In all, that squad was a whole lot better. But to those who feel if a 50 win squad is better than what we have now, then we certainly can not be that good, think again. That squad should have done a lot better than 50 wins. It was seriously hampered by a coach who started Curry, for 2 full seasons, though Curry had long since lost his ability to play the game. And on the other hand, this season, again, we got a coach who plans to seriously limit our wins, by playing a rotation that does not work. You drop Baynes out of the rotation, and use Leuer as our starting power forward, you have a far better rotation, and a lot more wins.
can't say you don't contribute Lee
so 20 games in Ish, KCP, Toby, MM, Dre Ish, KCP, Toby, Lure, Dre Ish, KCP, SJ, Lure, Dre Beno, KCP, SJ, Lure, Dre Beno, Bullock [now inj], SJ, MM, Dre Ish, Hilly, Toby, MM, Dre Ish, Hilly, MM, Lure, Baynes .500 perfect, BlueV lurking
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