Discussion in 'Pistons and NBA' started by Latinoking90, Apr 2, 2009.
We should be thankful that we have a trustworthy but ineffective coach now?
I think Low's post was very good. I think, raxrets, that the slip from dominating defensive-oriented championship contender with great chemistry and understanding among key players and between coaches and players to top 3-4 may well have felt like a lot to players who had tasted championship champagne, come very close to it again, and felt they could remain in that position for another year at least if there were no change in direction.
Of course, this view benefits from the perspective of hindsight -- we now know for certain what changes were made, whereas Brown and Ben and other players back in the day might have had information, but still could only, strictly speaking, speculate as to the final shape such changes would take. But I can totally see them clinging to a view that what they had was working great and that anything less was unacceptable.
The Master at baiting....
Wow...I didn't think you would put his personal business out there like that
If you don't buy me out, I'll shoot.
I'm going to miss Sheed. It was nice having a 6'11 powerforward/center who shoot the 3. Who created one of the best defensive duos with Wallace X2.
And I know for a fact, he's gone. Joe is not going to giving him 8 million dollars.
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Rasheed can be used effectively on a number of teams...for about 20 minutes a game....
20 minutes a game doesn't constitute $8 million a year! maybe the full mid level from someone...
Max, again, I come back to one of the last interviews Bill Davidson gave in his lifetime in which he was remarkably forthcoming about his true assessment of Larry Brown, and his early decision not to keep him as a coach. In that interview, Davidson made it clear that: 1) he probably decided against keeping LB after just half a season here; 2) he only kept LB after the first season because we won a championship; and 3) he probably would have still fired him after the 05 season even if we had repeated as champions. These are really astonishing (and extreme) views on Davidson's part. It is safe to assume that some of this was conveyed to Brown early on, either directly or indirectly, and that at the very least Brown knew that an extension or raise after the 04 championship was out of the question. It seems to me that some or all of Brown's actions that you describe in your post can only be understood as a reaction to Davidson's strongly negative feelings toward him. Here are pertinent excerpts from the interview, which I lifted from a 9/5/08 post on this forum:
Q: Speaking of coaching, let me ask you about a few coaches. Larry Brown. What can you tell me about him?
A: Well, Larry Brown is not what he appears to be. And he's built a reputation for himself based on his own PR people. He's not what he appears to be.
Q: When did you decide he was out?
A: Ah, probably after I'd been with him for half a season.
Q: Half a season?
A: Yeah, that's all.
Q: But you let him continue to coach?
A: Well, we won that year.
Q: What if they had won against San Antonio?
A: Uh, probably not. I can't tell you. ... It depends on the players. The reason I get rid of a coach is if he's lost the players. I don't want to subject my players to a coach they don't want, basically and in whom they have lost faith.
Q: Did you feel that was the case with Larry?
A: Oh, yeah.
And he got it!
I wonder if they were the only team.
Man, if the players lost faith in LB, it's no wonder that MC didn't impress them very much.
For all the times he drove me crazy, Sheed was my favorite piston over the last five years and it's going to kill me to see him in a different uniform, especially Celtics green.
For me, one of the most "entertaining" Pistons of all time.
My favorite Sheedisms:
"Ball don't lie"
"Both teams played hard"
I will miss your endless entertainment value Rasheed "Roscoe" Wallace. :D
is the world ready to seee sheeeeed
When Sheed was on, he was a joy to watch. My dislike of the Celtics exceeds my capacity to like Sheed however, sorta like how John Salley was dead to me when he became a Laker, so I hope he brings the Celtics endless misery with technicals, bad attitude, slow rotations and lots of left handed 3 pointers off the glass.
Exatcly how I feel
I love Sheed. I was keeping my fingers crossed he would stay. Now I'm going to have to tape all the friggin Boston games so I can see what my man is doing. But I'll fast forward because I don't care if they win or lose.
Rasheed Wallace of New York Knicks retires from NBA - ESPN New York
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