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Preseason Pistons vs Heat ~ October 22nd

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  1. DirtyMoney

    DirtyMoney First Round Draft Pick

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    So, I deserve no answer, because I gave no contribution?? My fault. Where can I send my donation so I don't get slammed when I ask a question?? (That's prolly what the Pistons say when they read the forums..."What is all this WE ish??!!)
     
  2. DirtyMoney

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    Wade was pretty excited to get JWill on the team. He said Jason is a good point guard and knows how to get people the ball. It sounded like a dis to Damon Jones. He now has to figure on how to make his team mates better, since he is considered to be an All Star ball player. He thinks it's Shaq's job.
     
  3. roscoe36

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    No, my point was not to slam you but it takes time to generate the content you crave. You might want to consider that people do it when they can and when they can't, that's life. No point in complaining about the lack of coverage.

    In the meantime, feel free to make your contribution if you feel the site is lacking info. I'd like to think we are doing a helluva job WITHOUT donations/advertising and a staff consisting entirely of volunteers.
     
  4. DirtyMoney

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    I didn't take what you said too hard, because WE say "We won, we aquired, we let go, Our bench is getting better", and things like that when we really don't give any physical contribution. But what we are, are good fans. In saying that, I am a fan of this site. So, are we getting bored with the preseason??
     
  5. Lee356

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    Watched the game again

    Man, am I ever disappointed in Evans as far as his ability to cover Wade. Just flat out none. Now, Wade only shot 4-11 in the game, but he got to the free throw a ton vs. Evans. We are simply lucky Wade could not hit a free throw. Anyway, every time Wade made any move on Evans, he lost Evans instantly. Way too easy. On the other hand, Evans did manage to stay physical with Wade quite a lot. Maybe this helped some? Its a stretch. Right now I say cut Dupree and get Hunter ready to play against Miami. (This assumes Miami is still seen as a threat-they do have issues. And the problem is that if we keep Hunter for the playoffs, we have to leave a pretty darn good player off the roster. And its probably Mo Evans believe it or not.)

    On the rewatch, the defense of Darko looked even better than at first glance. Lots of opposing players missing from altering their shots. Likewise, I liked the job Dale Davis did more the 2nd look. Now, Shaq did score on Davis too much, but there were good defensive sequences in there where Shaq did not try to score on Davis. We don't focus on these as much since the camera is always on the ball. And Davis' rebounding does look very solid. Davis did foul Shaq once and send him to the line, the most effective defense on Shaq quite often. And Dale Davis had a body on the guy, making him work, a large percentage of the time. Shaq did look like he got tired at the end of the 3rd quarter, so maybe things were working at least ok.

    And here is a thought. With Davis giving us depth, the way to beat Miami is to simply let Darko come in to guard Shaq, and stay on him until Darko fouls out. Even if this means sitting Ben or Sheed real early. Now once Darko fouls out, Sheed and Ben take turns guarding Shaq. They will of course get into foul trouble but Davis then comes into the picture and we are ok.

    I closely watched Arroyo's decision making. The best yet this preseason. We started the 4th at an 11 for 14 clip with Arroyo continually making sharp, quick decisions. His nice pass to Dyess for a score inside was the icing on the cake. (One of three buckets Dyess got in quick order off passes from Arroyo. Lots of people noticed the good connection last season.)

    Delfino is just plain looking good out there. The scary thing is that this is just preseason and Delfino is nowhere near mid-season form, especially having just come off an injury.

    I predict we will see more of Maxiell the next couple of games as Sheed has some tendinitis going on in the knee. (Or maybe Dale Davis will get extensive burn.)

    Amir Johnson very impressively took down an offensive rebound. (One of three bounds in his 4 minutes.) The other team had a body on him, or two. But he waited until just the right moment, shot up and snatched that puppy with perfect timing. Despite being bodied up, he kept moving toward that rebound. Showed no fear of mixing up inside to get a bound.

    The Heat never played without either Wade or Shaq in the 2nd quarter. We used all bench players and held our own. In the 4th, some starters played into the 4th, but soon it was our usual bench of Arroyo, Delfino, Evans, Dyess, and Darko. This was now vs. their bench. Payton, Kapono, Posey, Haslem, Mourning. Our bench slaughtered theirs. No contest. They might have got, what 2 buckets as we ran the lead to about 22.

    Scouting Miami a bit. Yes, Walker still loves to shoot too much. But Shaq wants all the shots. But Williams wants all the shots. But Wade wants all the shots. Result? Shaq gets his shots and the rest of them throw up a crazy shot once in a while thinking they got to get theirs. No movement when Shaq has the ball. And the least impressive guy out there is Posey. Showed nothing.

    Our starters look pretty darn good. They had about a 21-14 lead when a couple of our starters came off the floor. Sheed does an amazing job keeping Walker from scoring anything. Posey is nothing vs. Tay, on either end. Rip scored well while staying on Wade very well. CB is still knocking down threes and getting inside, despite nursing that sore back. Ben on Shaq? Not pretty. In a close game, Ben must refrain from shooting any shots away from the basket. We can't afford it. Crowd, never cheer for Ben to shoot that long shot. He is going to miss it far too often.
     
  6. roscoe36

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    By "we" I (mis?)understood you to be asking why "we" are not kicking out the def jams for this game. If we can get enough people contributing to every game, we will have amazing content almost daily.

    I don't think people are bored with the preseason yet. It's just very time consuming to get video and write recaps.

    No hard feelings bro.
     
  7. lazyberbs

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    Did you guys see Shaq . . .

    . . . say, "WOW", when Delfino skied for the putback on the missed free throw? :eyebrows: I thought that was pretty neat. He was impressed.

    And I agree; Shaq wasted some of his millions by taking less to get more guys. They still can play only five at a time and their five can't match ours. :peace: No way! No time! They cannot beat us in a series.
     
  8. Warthog

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    just got around to watching it now. i don't think evans did a bad job on wade, he got physical with him and made him uncomfortable. wade didn't really show up for the game now...he looks lost. i think wade wants the ball in his hands and to be a PG, but now they have jwilliams and gpayton for that, and wade doesn't know what to do. it looks like the heat added players without any thought of the positions they'd play, time they shared on the court, etc.

    whenever shaq had the ball the heat stopped moving around. posey and williams were nothing special, and walker just got abused by rasheed. complete mismatch come playoff time with those two. darko played good D on sheed and had that sweet slam over mourning, delfino finally got his free throw putback, and mcdyess was nailin down jumpers with ease.

    most impressively our bench outscored there's something like 41-15. almost half our total points from the bench, nice. davis did great rebounding. not much else to say.
     
  9. Pastor Flournoy

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    Did I read Lee's post wrong?

    did he say And "Mo Evans" would be the one left off the roster. One ESPN guy thinks he might win 6th man award. Maybe I read it wrong, it is after midnight.
     
  10. lapiston

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    Lee on guarding wade and Shaq

    lee, couldn't see the game in LA but I think you got it right about guarding Shaq--maybe do it by committee. Not good news about Evans on Wade. I hope that he can guard Wade some. But if he can't, you are right, Hunter would probably come back.
     
  11. himat

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    Mo Evans is definently on the roster.
     
  12. Tyskillz

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    No WAY Lee, Evans is as good as in PERIOD! He clearly will be one of the bright spots off of our bench this season. Indeed his defense on wade was a bit disappointing but it wasn't hardly bad enough to where he would ever be considered off the playoff roster... Come on dude, cut out the overexaggerations and getting so far ahead of yourself. As a guy who played in the west last season he likely isn't as used to dealing with wade like rip and others are just yet. Not to mention with that second unit wade was a lot more assertive, where as while shaq was in the line up with him he didn't seem very interested in even shooting the ball as ole #40 Bill Laimbeer pointed out all night. Anyway I'm not going to judge the kid just yet from one measely pre-season game and just assume he has no defensive ability. I say give the kid a chance, especially to get used to a guy like d. wade before just writing him off like that.

    Honestly I remember a time where d. wade often gave our own specialist Lindsey Hunter the business as well, however the veteran learned from those mistakes and now defends him a lot better on most nights.
     
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    good analysis...but Mo Evans off the roster...HUH???????
     
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    No way. Mo is here to stay. Actually I liked when Rip gaurded Wade because Rip is the fastest guy in the nba, and he's got the best endurance so Wade couldn't shake him off like other players plus since rip never gets tired he'll still be effective offensively/
     
  15. Lee356

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    hi

    We only get 12 guys on the roster. Mo Evans was brought here partially at least to guard Wade. If he can't do the job, and Hunter can, then maybe Hunter replaces Mo Evans on the playoff roster. Anyway, its not enough to suggest that I am wrong. You got to give your own alternative about who gets left off the roster for Hunter. We only get 12 guys. Acker and Maxiell are pretty darn good players. I say no way Evans beats either of these guys out for a spot on that 12 man roster. Not unless he ends up doing a better job guarding Wade. Its just one game. Four more to go in the regular season before a choice has to be made.
     
  16. TBird

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    Lee

    I'll take you up on that, even though the idea of trying to develop a roster for the playoffs prior to the first regular season game seems, at best, premature.

    Ben, 'Sheed, Tay, Rip, Chauncey, Dyess, Darko, Delfino, Evans, Arroyo, Davis, Hunter

    Off the roster would be the three rookies (assuming Acker beats out Dupree, which is not a given right now).

    I know you like Maxiell (I do too) but Ben, 'Sheed, Dyess, Darko, and Davis should provide plenty of depth at the 4/5.

    I really expect J-Max to get a lot more playing time next year.
     
  17. TaS

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    Cd

    What happened to all the people calling for Delfino to be dropped? A couple of average games made up for everything?
     
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    As much as I like our draft picks I think they'll be left watching this year.
    Everyone being healthy, I'd be hapy with Dyess, Davis, Evans, Arroyo, and Hunter
    with Darko and Delfino too. It will be tough enough to develop darko and delfino while integrating Evans and Davis.

    There was the arguement made that the pistons could have developed Darko while preserving their championship run. To me that has to happen this year. Delfino too. I think these two have the ability to make the bench something special. But its something you have to invest in. spread the minutes too thin and you underdevelop everyone.

    I liked Rip on Wade. I am interested to see the matchup zone on miami. Also, reading the miami recaps, wade is playing off the ball a lot. With the ball in GP's or Jwill's hands, I think evans could make it difficult for them to get wade the ball.
     
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    Delfino is on probation with me. I never doubted he could play. I doubted how much he wanted to be a Piston after all the things that came out in the latin press.

    As long as he shuts up and plays his game, he's ok with me. The first time I read an article about him complaining about ANYTHING in Detroit, he can go join Rodney and Rufus in Clipperland.
     
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    Maybe they're eating little crow appetizers.
    I never knew what the fuss was over CD. The guy looked promising before the knee injury. What was the problem? He didn't come back quick enough? For what? to sit next to darko? I've had high hopes for Delfino. Just nothing to talk about. I hope this season will change that.
     

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