Pistons Pre-season games thread

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  1. Lee356

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    Lets go back to around 2000 and see how well we have done with developing young guys. Rodney White, 9th pick. Never played him hardly at all, and gave him away. He did have talent, had some decent years in the Nuggets rotation. They we got Cleaves, hometown hero drafted mostly for being a home town here. Even though he could not shoot. Sure, we gave him every chance to play, but he just could not play, could not shoot the ball.

    Let me see, we built the 2001 team up by bringing in one young player, Damon Jones. Good pickup. Only we did not keep him around as we added Rip and Billups the next year. We did get Zelly to sign with us too. Now, even though he was 28 when he came to us, he was still a rookie, who after using him perhaps too little the first year, was slated to be our starter in his 2nd year here. But he came down with heart problems. Fine player. Bad luck on our part. But really, Zelly never needed any developement. Great post up game, fine defender, fantastic boxout guy. (we have not seen a better boxout guy since, or before Zelly.)

    Ahh. Prince. We drafted him. Carlisle did not keep his job because he could not see the value in playing Prince, who while a rookie, was plenty old enough and capable enough his very first year. Larry Brown came along, recognized his talent, and played him major minutes and won a championship with him. So, there is at least one success story there. But not really. Tay was good out of the box. No developement needed. Only in Carlisle's singularly warped mind was a guy like Curry suppose to play ahead of Prince. Again, Prince needed zero NBA development. He had NBA talent and game day one when he got here. Despite playing very little his first year, we all saw him play TMAC, who was doing great that year, toe to toe and score with him point for point in a playoff series.

    So we did get a couple of young players involved. But not any actual developement.

    Ok, Stuckey. Young guy. Still on the team. But he is a point guard. We never won any games with him at point though, and now we have management imagining that they can make a shooting guard out of him. We are going nowhere fast with Stuckey at this point. Got to give a solid fail to the organization at this point.

    JMAX. Here, we brought the guy along slowly. Too slowly. By the time he got to play, it had been years since he was a decent shooter for Cincinnati. Further, except for just the tiniest bit, we refused to play him at small forward, where like Corliss, he might have had some success. Instead, he was last seen as our starting power forward, despite a horrible height disadvantage there such that he could not defend the position nor hold his own in the rebounding battles. For sure, he never got around to part of any winning formula for us. And since he left in free agency, I give the organization another fail here.

    Amir Johnson. Fine starting power forward for Toronto these days. Don't like him? I don't care. I want to know what we got for him in trade. Nothing. Another fail.

    Carlos Delfino. Another victim of coach hatred. Pure hatred of foreigners just for being foreigners. No other reason. Let him go for nothing too. He has seen lots of starts on other teams since.

    Milicic. We got him as a skinny young man more suitable for playing small forward, at least at first. He eventually developed into a very large, gifted center. Just last season, before he left the NBA for family problems, NY was planning on him being a big part of their rotation. But why did we give him away for nothing, instead of using him just a bit and building up his trade value. There was no reason. Just bad management of a player. A victim here for his first two years of player hatred by his coach.

    How about Afflalo. A fine player. Tons of starts since we gave him away for nothing. He has had 40% plus shooting for seasons from the 3 line. He can defend too. The best perimeter defender we had when he was here. Why did we give him away for nothing? Guys like Curry were the coach, that is why. And Joe Dumars is totally responsible for both giving Afflalo away, and for him not playing more when he was here.

    How about Middleton. Here, Dumars sells it as the Jennings / Knight trade. And yet Milwaukee fully expects Middleton to be a key player on their team this year. This is an example of just giving a player away, again, for no good reason at all.

    Next, Knight. Sorry. Can we really say we got anything for Knight? Jennings was a free agent. We did a sign and trade. Sure, we used his contract. But that is all cap spsace issues. Fact is, we could have just simply signed Jennings if that was a priority for us. So, we will leave this one as a maybe ok thing. Me, I won't say it is ok, but I will not call it a failure - as Milwaukee sees Knight as their starting point guard this year, and just extended his contract yesterday.

    And Daye. Amazingly, we started him out of position as a power forward for a stretch, and yet never used him as a backup small forward to Tay. All the opportunity in the world to do so. But never did. And we gave him away as part of a trade, a cap move, nothing more, where Tay left. Failure. Pretty typical result for Dumars and this organization.

    Currently on team. We are giving JJ and Singler plenty of developement time. But will either actually play winning ball in the NBA? Foot speed problems plague both. Right now, some see JJ as a possible backup power forward even though he so undersized there its incredible that this is actually being considered. Totally incredible. Player developement of players who pretty obviously not going to get anywhere does not count.

    Well, I know I have left out some, but I will finish with our current crop of youngsters.

    Dumars is so far not hindering the developement of Pope, and yet he is showing a lot of signs of planning to. And not only would it be a disaster in terms of his develpment if he does not play to give the likes of Bynum playing time, this also threatens team chemistry and ever getting our front line dunking the ball thru the hoop as planned.

    They say that Drummond is our future. But wait, we have, in Monroe, a case where a young player is actually being developed. A player getting better every year. So rumors are starting we are going to trade him away. Totally nuts. Lets instead dump Bynum, only use guards who know how to play the point, and see what kind of explosive results we can get with a solid front line of Smith, Monroe, and Drummond.

    Note, if we actually trade Monroe for a player of similar value, that would be a success for the Pistons. But with Dumars track record, he is most likely going to settle for a cap move, and sell it to us fans as a good move. I highly doubt it.
     
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    Another basketball related injury for the Pistons guards, Bynum out with food poisoning.
     
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    Perhaps one of our forum members works in the food service industry. :chef2::stirthepot:
     
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    Lee likes to cook out of his garden, but don't remember him saying he ever worked in the food service.... If Will had a salad though, we know who to blame.
     
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    Siva looking good. He tries so hard to put players in to position for easy buckets. The Orlando camera angle horrible. Too close.
     
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    Siva steals. They steal. Siva knocks it again, but they get it and score. Soloman Jones. Josh Smith misses 3. Drummond bothers there shot. Siva drives, gets fouled. Makes 2-2, 45-38 them. Blocking foul on Monroe. Not to hoop. Foul on Pope. They make both.

    Siva loses it. Monroe blocks though. Drummond slam. They make runner. Pope misses. Moore hits 3. 52-40.

    Siva throws it away. Singler in for Smith.

    Jones hits midranger. TO

    Nice to see the starting unit a lot of us want to see. Of course, it will be Jennings, not Siva. Could sure use Billups in this one. Siva played all but one minute so far.
     
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    Drummond misses inside shot, after Siva got the ball inside by the dribble. Foul. He makes 1-2.

    We pick it off on a triple team. Siva has it stolen they slam. Pope turns it. Foul on Monroe. Quin hits. We miss forced shot. Quin is fouled. JJ in. They make 2-2. 60-41.

    Singler misses. Mitchell fights for it. Singler gets it and is fouled. So we got Siva, Pope (our only two guards in the game), Singler, Mitchell, and Drummond.

    Singler 2-2. KCP knocks it away but still with Magic. They miss vs. Siva. J made by Pope. Siva forces travel. KCP misses. Mitchell bounds, JJ misses. Miss, Singler bounds. We miss. TO.
     
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    Siva has 8 turnovers.

    Drummond is -26.

    Pistons are 14-for-43 from the field so far (32.6%).

    Bynum hasn't played.
     
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    CV in. JJ, Siva, Pope, Mitchell.

    Miss. CV bounds. We miss. Loose ball foul on JJ. Bonus. They make 0-2. Siva to CV. Siva back to CV. Drive, travel.

    Siva nearly steal. They miss. Siva bounds. JJ misses 3. Pistons only 2 2nd chance points. 3 second call on them. JJ drives, foul on Harris. Side out. Jones back in for Quinn. Drummond has 11 rebounds at this point. Singler loses the ball, goes to a jumpball. Drummond in for Mitchell.

    We win jump ball, but Pope immediately turns it.

    Jones, Price,

    Singler in for us. With Drummond, Siva, CV, and JJ. we foul. They make both. 62-45. CV misses 3. They lose it. Singler misses 3. We are 1-9 on 3's. They make. JJ loses it. They lay it in. Singler has it stolen, flush. 20 sec TO
     
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    Siva misses but JJ tips it in. Siva almost steal. Drummond knocks it away, and its an O foul. Siva, JJ, Drummond, CV, Singler in for us.

    CV makes 3.

    Price, Jones, Harris, Moore, Nicholson. Price hits. Siva misses. JJ no. CV yes. Orlando player injured. TO

    Harris out injured. Osby in for him. They make. Drummond slams. 72-54. Going to 4th.
     
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    Siva up with the ball. Moose in. CV in still. Siva has to shoot, shot clock violation. Oops, bad call. Still our ball. Singler in to Drummond, to Monroe, up and in. Moore hits. I guess Singler is playing some point right now. Singler hits.

    Osby misses. Siva to Monroe, off him OB. Pope back in. Moore hits. 76-58. Siva up with the ball. to Singler. defensive3 seconds. Siva makes tech. Smith back in. Drummond is blocked. Osby loses ball, off us. Quinn misses. Drummond bounds. Nicholson fouls. Ok, I guess that is 8 bounds, 11 points for Drummond. Monroe misses, gets his bound, then is fouled. Monroe makes 2-2? They miss, get bound and put back. Siva to Pope, he hits. Nicholson misses. Smith bound. Monroe up for the fast break layup.
     
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    Our starters are back in. Siva, Pope, Smith, Monroe, Drummond.

    They have Osby, Moore, Nicholson, Quinn, Price

    Siva almost steals. Nicholson hits. We are down by 15. Siva to Smith who is fouled under the basket. Jones back in for Nicholson. JMAX did not play. Moose turns it. Kick ball by Siva. Price hits J. Smith hits 3, assist Siva.

    Drummond steals. Smith hits runner. 82-70

    Harris misses. Drummond 10 bounds now.

    Jones, Price, Quinn, Moore, Osby.

    They miss.

    Moose hits hook.

    O foul on Jones. Moving screen. 82-72 Orlando. TO.
     
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    Still our starters. Drummond is blocked. By Quinn,his 4th.

    They miss. Drummond gets the bound. Pope triples. We steal. Drummond is fouled. Flagrant. Overturned. Just common foul on O'Quin.
     
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    Drummond makes first. 6 point game. No team fouls on us. He misses the next.

    Price to Osby, they miss, but get bound. Block and takeaway by Drummond. Offensive foul on Smith. Apparently, one absolutely spectacular block where Drummond just took the ball away well up into the air.

    We foul. Smith is T'd. Did not like call. They miss tech. Sideline out. Foul on us. Moore to ft line. Makes 1-2. Bound by Smith. Siva up the floor. To Drummond. Back to Siva. Monroe posts up. Back out. Smith hits 3.
     
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    They miss 3. Smith chases down bound. We miss, get bound. Miss. Their ball. Close game now. They miss. Drummond chases down the bound. TO. 2 and a half minutes left. 83-79
     
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    Moose hits fingeroll.

    54-30 us in 1st and 3rd combined.

    They make. Siva up with the ball, has played all but one minute. Smith misses 15 footer. Jones to Price to Moore. Osby turns it. To Siva. Drummond to Smith. Siva nails 3. One point game.

    They miss. We could get the lead. We go on 4-1 fast break and Smith lays it in for lead. Drummond almost steals. They score. TO. About 40 seconds to go. We are down one point.
     
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    Drummond is at 14 bounds. 2 blocks. 14 points. 2-4 at the line.

    I guess the story of the game is Siva. With no backup point, he had to play the entire game. We tried to rest him with us way up to start the game, but we fell apart without him in and quickly put him back in. But as I say all the time,when the team gets disconbobulated, its often tough to get things back in order.

    Official timeout going on, someone is bleeding.

    Siva to Smith. Misses. OQuinn bounds. We foul, one to give. TO
     
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    They miss. Bound goes OB to them. Off us. Don't look good.

    I can't see why the heck we fouled, since we had a five second differential on the clock. And why did they even shoot the ball. We foul quickly on inbounds. Just half a second to go. They shoot free throws. All they need to do is miss 2nd one and let the clock expire. And they did purposely miss it. Play under review.

    And why did we go for the outside shot? We were scoring inside readily enough. You go inside in that circumstance. I guess they really did not care that much. Just a tenth of a second left. All we can do is tap it in off a lob. They can not foul since they are in the penalty.

    Game over. At least they tried I guess.

    Apparently, some controversy there at the end with the game clock going off before anyone touched the ball.

    Hey, at least we got the lead back for a moment.
     
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    Nice comeback attempt. Pistons were down 23 at one point late in the 3rd quarter and managed to only lose by 1 point.
     

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