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  1. lapiston

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    Its early--the team hasn't played together and the coach is searching--but some trends are worrisome.

    First, 119 points is awful and the defense was not there. Drummond has to play a lot of minutes as the anchor and he didn't. Drummond was not having a good game but he still has to play.

    The Pistons just do not have anybody knocking down shots at the moment. I will leave Jennings out of this as he has not practiced. Datome? Its early but he has to hit shots because he looks somewhat lost on defense. Singler has to have a steady shot. How many open looks have the Piston role players been missing so far? Too many. Then, the defense gets demoralized. Stuckey suddenly seems like the Piston's best shooter? At some point, you have to have guys that can knock down shots around the big three.

    Bynum has trouble against pressure and he is not a true point guard. Neither is he a consistent scorer. Billips is missing shots also. His age is obviously an issue.

    The big three up front are fine. Andre has to become a roaming defensive force--he has to learn that--but the big three is fine. The role players are not playing up to NBA standard. The Pistons are getting very little out of their guards. Even Jennings has been getting trapped some--I hope it is do to being unsure about the offense.

    This year, management will have to decide which, if any role players will move forward with this team. Monroe has to be resigned and then either the supporting cast steps up (this year) or they have to be moved. The next few months will tell. The big three need help. The team will win games against teams that simply cannot handle the front line but it is frustrating to watch games like tonight where the Piston bigs could compete but do not get enough help from the guards and the role players.
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    Already been said enough, but the defense was not there and we missed plenty of shots. We should not lose any games when three of your starters score 20 points or more. We should not lose any games when we score 110 points.....but we loss.... .... Nine straight losses to the Thunder. We hung tough all the way through the third but the better team showed why they were supposed to win. Mo once again put a second unit in there in the third that turned disastrous. JJ, Bynum Singler Gigi....can't remember if they were all out there at the same time, but it just didn't work. At the end of the game, all of the Thunder players came over and hugged and thanked Mo for putting in the lineup that allowed them to separate and pull away.

    In the three losses and one of the two wins we have not been able to shut down the other teams' SF.....We thought we had Tay, but he hit the key shots in OT for the Grizz and since then both George and Durrant have beaten us. Heck they probably would have done the same to any team. The problem is we let some rook by the name of Steve Adams score 17 points and grab 10 boards while our rooks rode the pine. It's time to play Pope and Mitchell and see what you get.

    We got Mo, but wondering in advance if we should have taken B Shaw who has the no-stars Suns at 4-2 ......its still early so no need to second guess Joe's choice yet.

    Billups looks just like the guy that ruined the Clippers second round playoff series vs the Grizzlies last spring. He is trying to do to much. 16 pts in game one and a combined 17 in the next four. 3 for 16 shooting and no trips to the FT line since he missed the possible game winning FT in game 2 vs the Grizz.

    I would start BJ and Stuckey and then bring in Billups and Pope as your second unit 1 and 2. Once or if Stuckey leaves, promote KCP to the starting 2 and then see if Bynum and Billups can coexist as the 1 & 2.

    Bynum is trying too much too. I wasn't surprised that he didn't have any assists tonight because he never passed the rock to anyone ...he, Billups and Singler were a combined 5-22 shooting from the floor. Billups and Singler were 2-9 from beyond the arc. The rest of the team was 9 for 22. The question is why are we taking so many threes??

    We're heading out west next week and the two worst teams out here, Denver and Utah aren't even on the schedule. Maybe we can take Lakers, but they have a lot athletic guys who will shoot the three just because they figure you can't defend it. And we can only guess how many threes the Warriors take vs our perimeter D.
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  3. roscoe36

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    Chauncey 3 points in 29 minutes at SG ain't getting it done since SG is one position the Thunder don't put pressure on offensively.

    Does anyone remember when Larry Brown would get mad at Chauncey for shooting 3s?

    That seems like a million years ago.
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  4. Ernie the Slow Adult

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    The Pistons need to gel as a team. They're 5 fingers now instead of a hand. They've played 2 tough teams in a row and they haven't been up to it.

    Singler has played terribly. I'm not sure what he's done to cement himself in the rotation, but Tim Duncan's role with the Spurs is more tenuous.

    Jennings got going some and Datome looks headed in the right direction.

    I didn't like that Cheeks expanded the rotation, but I do like the calculated randomness he applies when they're struggling.

    Gentleman Steve Adams looked like the #1 pick in the draft.

    Bring on the tomato cans!!!


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    In terms of our front line, 2 of the three HAVE to be on the court at ALL times.
    AS has been said, guys HAVE to start making shots on a consistent basis. The knock on the big three was that we wouldn't have enough floor spacing for them to be effective, false. Unfortunately while they are effective....we're losing. We need the guards to make the shots that become available as a result of the effectiveness of the front court.
    Cheeks is still searching....as he should be with so many guys injured in the pre season.
    Our team is still trying to gel.
    I only saw the 2nd half but Jennings looked pretty good tonight.
    I know this isn't a popular sentiment but Dre REALLY needs to make some improvements to his game, or he might be the one we should entertain trading. Again, until he can do more than run, jump, dunk and rebound....he's nothing more than a younger Deandre Jordan.
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    I think we are taking so many as they are there to be taken. There's a lot of focus on our interior and it is leaving LOTS of wide open looks, and what is so infernally frustrating is that we still don't have anyone to knock them down on a consistently high clip. Thing is, if you have one player doing that, the other semi-decent 3 point shooter catch a bit of the rhythm too. We just need to replace a few of the role players that can't hit them, with ones that can.

    The eeeew:
    - Bynum. He is going to pop up in nearly every one of my posts I reckon. His D is the thing I hate most about our team. At least Mo recognised his issues this game and played him less.
    - Stuckey is our best 3 point shooter. Stuckey...... I'll say it again, as I had to rewind the tape and hear Kesler say it again too. Stuckey.. is our best 3 point shooter.
    - Datome at PF. Was not too bad against Scola, but his defensive position in this game was BAD. Hopefully he starts hitting those wide open 3's and goes to SF before Mo decides to sit him.
    - Billups. Love the bloke, but Seriously needs less time on the court. Mo needs to get over his rookie rash and play KCP. Most other coaches play their rooks well, not, not at all.
    - Drummond looking sad, looked like iCarly had dumped him last night. Love this bloke too and such a happy kid that brings the energy. Maybe the Refs didn't lik that he cut his hair and beard from that styling thing he had to start the season.

    The yay:
    - Jennings was good tonight. Making plays, shooting when needed.
    - Drummond out on foul trouble (some bad looking calls on at least two of them as well) but the two other bigs getting it done.
    - Smith at PF more. If Mo went more with just playing the big three in the big two positions, we would get more of this J-Smoove and less of the Jack-S.

    My last point, I'm a little pleasantly surprised with Smith so far, despite some of the ugly 3 balls in the first few games. He has come in as the senior guy on a rookie team, been happy to play out at SF instead of his obviously better placed PF and taken a back seat in terms of the focal point on our offence. And when he is called on, he can pull out a game like this. Not many guys in the NBA would do something like this and not be bitching about it.
    If Jennings follows a similar line and plays more as the way he did tonight, we will see more of the team play against superstar player teams we all like.

    Sure the D was bad and we lost, which is always bad, but there was something I really liked in this game.
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    I had that exact thought while watching the game. I've never seen him look so disinterested.

    Jennings and Smith looked good. I think Mo is still experimenting and once he sets the rotation this team will be very good.

    And there is good news on the horizon:

    Injured Charlie Villanueva wants to give it his best shot for Pistons | The Detroit News

    Injured Charlie Villanueva wants to give it his best shot for Pistons | The Detroit News

    Injured Charlie Villanueva wants to give it his best shot for Pistons | The Detroit News

    Injured Charlie Villanueva wants to give it his best shot for Pistons | The Detroit News
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    They've got to play him at PF del because they already got Larry Bird Kyle Singler at the 3.
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    Going through the posts of all these games we all (minus LA Dre last night) seem to be talking about shooting, but what about their D? I've read a lot of stuff about this team building towards being a defensive monster, but they game up 119 points last night.

    This team with its' dominant front court is the 5th worst defensive rebounding team in the L. Monroe had 15 boards last night but 10 of them were offensive. They are a middle of the pack overall rebounding team.

    They need some guys who are willing to fight for some rebounds!
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    Another 6 mins of NBA experience for Kenny.

    Will Durant average 20 FT per game this season?

    I wonder what Miamis win record would have been if Singler got James minutes? Would they have made the PO?
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    I am an investment banker.

    As for the dinner, it went well. Mr. Gorney seemed to enjoy the roast beef, mashed potatoes, and mixed greens. For desert, we had the passion fruit mousse. We finished the evening with a whiskey sour.
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    Sounds like the unfortunate experience with Buck Cheever was an anomaly. You did quite well with Midge and Gorney.

    I wonder if folks here noticed that Rodney just had his second good game of the season?
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    Plus/Minus is often misleading, but the Pistons were MINUS 18 during Rodney's 23 minutes.
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    Literally the worst part of NBA basketball is watching refs bail Durant with free throws every time he flails his arms. He is the worst flopper in the league bar none. Harden comes a close second.

    On the other hand, I love watching Westbrook just be Westbrook and go hard every night.

    I only managed to get most of the second half but the things that I most noticed are:
    - We are absolutely bruising teams on the interior when our starters play. It messes with their rhythm on defense and I kept seeing collapses as nobody wanted to rotate off Smith/Moose near the paint.
    - Spacing is absolutely not an issue. We need a knockdown 3 point shooter though. The corners and wings are open every time a guard even considers driving. There was a point in the 4th quarter where CB on back to back plays was wide open in the corners. And this happened a lot during my viewing. Tell Pope to sit in the corners.
    - Jennings is playing really well. With so much size behind him, I love the aggressiveness on defense. I love that he plays flat out.

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    Uhhh. Not a chance. He is only 20 years old.
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    Singler was +4. Rodney played well last night.
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    So how many good games has Singler now had this year?
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    We lost. Yes. There were mistakes made. Yes. The coach had some terrible lineups. Yes. The refs bailed out Durant a lot. Yes. We are not at Thunder's level yet. Yes.

    But...

    I.....LOVE....THIS....TEAM!

    I haven't been this excited to watch a Pistons game in 8 years. I am totally enjoying every minute of it, and the future looks very bright. Can't wait until the next game.
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    In my opinion Singler has had 1 good game (Pacers). Which is one less than Rodney. He was awful last night.

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