Away New York Knicks Tuesday, January 07, 2014

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  1. roscoe36

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    @ New York Knicks

    Tuesday, January 07, 2014 - 7:30 PM Eastern


    Madison Square Garden, New York, NY

    LOCAL TV: FS Detroit
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    RADIO: 97.1 FM The Ticket

    GO PISTONS!
     
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    We need somebody to step up.

    Go Pistons!
     
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    Drummond's coming out party at the MSG. Y-U-G-E win coming up.
     
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    Thinking you're down by two when you're really up by two is pretty pathetic. The strategy that the coach was laying out in the last timeout didn't clue him in?
     
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    Tyson Chandler is out of tonight's game. Lets hope our bigs don't revive Kenyon Martin's career with some uninspired inside play.

    Raymond Felton is back tonight after missing the last six games with a groin injury. Our guards need to run the floor to see if they can keep up with him.
     
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    T-17 minutes! CAN'T WAIT!!!!!!!

    GO PISTONS!
     
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    The Pistons made a valiant comeback playing some decent defense in the 4th.....but the result is another loss and this time to a Knick team that would have blown off the court in the first half by any team that had a few shooters and better leadership on the floor and the bench.

    With 27 seconds left in the game, the Pistons after being down by 17 were only down 86-85 and instead possibly driving into the paint for a possible foul induced defense by the Knicks, they got suckered into a 17 ft airball shot by Smith with 10 seconds left on the clock. He was not open and could have passed as there was still 7 seconds left on the shot clock. As Lee pointed out in Chat, why did Jennings even pass it to Smith? He could have driven to the lane him self and got a bucket and or FT. The old winning Pistons...coached by Daly, Jim Carrey, LB or Flipper would have never allowed a chance to win like this go by the wayside....(unless it was in the 6th game of the EC playoffs)...

    The Pistons made their comeback with Singler and Villanueva on the floor and it appeared that they could actually win a game in the 4th. But a questionable fast break pass to Dre by Jennings instead of keeping it himself lead to only 1 FT make by Dre and then after another defensive stop, Jennings misses on a 3 pointer and then Dre misses on rebound put back. CV gets fouled on the next rebound but he too misses the first FT...before hitting the second. Big comeback, but missed ops in the last minute with no real floor leadership and the result is the same as the last 5 games......a loss. Mo indicated he need to save a time out so he didn't call one to set up a play when we had the ball with 27 seconds left.

    By the way, Smith almost had a triple double, 21-12 and 8 turnovers. Monroe scored 19, but missed at least 5 rim shots where at least 2-3 could have been dunks. Anthother useless double-double by Dre 12-17 and our starting guards were a combined 3-18 for 7 points. Will Bynum' 1o points outscored all other guards (including the useless Billups) 10-7.

    Defense was better than average tonight but a big 14-0 run by the Knicks in the middle of the 3rd, forced us to play catch up the rest of the game. Melo got 13 of his 34 points in that crucial 3rd quarter.
     
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    Thanks for the resume LA Dre.
     
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    To quote the Knicks announcers... this one wasn't easy on the eyes.
     
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    If you ignore that Smith had 8 turnovers, allowed his man to drop 34 points with 6-7 shooting from 3-point range, and airballed the game's most important shot, he actually played a good game.

    Charlie's shot is really rusty. It's painful to watch. He did some nice things though like get some boards, get off some decent shots in the post, and even picked up an assist by swinging the ball unselfishly. Even after the whistle sounded his misses looked dreadful though.

    Bynum was breaking down the Knicks' defense something fierce. He was 4-10, but 2 of his misses drew so much of the D that we easily converted the misses. Also, he manufactured 3 alley oops for Drummond in the first half. He just has a knack for setting up Dre and it's amazing that nobody can copy it. It goes to show you that he's doing most of the work on those setups and it's not just a matter of throwing the ball up for grabs.

    The key stats of the game are:

    - 11 turnovers from our starting SF/PF combo compared to 3 for the Knicks (on more touches).
    - Pistons were 3-19 (15.8%) from deep. Melo was 6-7 (85.7%).

    We even out rebounded them 54-38 in a close game it couldn't overcome the travesties above.
     
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    The Pistons sat Monroe in the 4th so they could play Drummond, Smith, Singler and CG.

    This was one of Bynum's better games this season.
     
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    I think he's been playing at less than 100%. Hopefully he's full strength now and that was the reason for his strong play. More likely though was that it was because we were playing the NY Knicks.
     
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    Disgusting loss. This team should never ever ever play small ball. We were beating the Knicks when we banged inside. In the third, we decided to go with long twos instead and we got beat.
     
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    Brandon Jennings is to KGREG what Fredo is to Michael, or worse....what Singler is to Lee. PLEASE GET THIS BUM OUT OF TOWN IMMEDIATELY!!!!! Am I the only one who was able to see what that little piece of dung was doing tonight?

    Please pull Dre out of the starting lineup.

    Please relegate Chauncey to street clothes.

    And Charlie Villanueva? Seriously?

    I've tried to stand by Mo......but he's a terrible coach and I'm waiting for Joe to announce that he (Joe) wants to spend more time with his family so he won't be re-upping his contract. Gores will let him leave with honor.
     
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    Chauncey isn't doing anything out there. He's looking very old and slow. And his shot isn't even falling- the one thing that shouldn't have left him.

    He's at a career low in everything. 8.5 points per 36? His 2nd lowest season ever was 13.2. That's a 36% decline off of his previous low.

    Shooting .283 from deep? Stuckey has him beat by 50 bps.


    By the way, the expected value from a Drummond trip to the FT line is 0.73 points. The expected value from a Josh Smith 3-pointer is 0.75 points. At least the Dre FTs get somebody in foul trouble and edge us closer to the bonus. Holy cow does Josh need to stop being the worst 3-point shooter in the entire NBA (who actually attempts them). We need to install an invisible fence and make him wear a collar out there. Drummond doesn't get fouled on purpose... it's a side effect of him trying to do great things. Josh Smith actually volunteers to attempt 3's at a 25% clip. Here are the players that shoot a higher percentage than him: Mitchell, Jerebko, Singler, Harrellson, Bynum, Jennings, Pope, Stuckey, Billups, Villanueva. Here are the players that attempt more 3's than him: Jennings. On the other hand, his 2-point FG% sucks and so does his FT%.

    He's 2nd in defensive win shares on the team, but he's dead last in offensive win shares and actually comes in at a NEGATIVE value.
     
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    This team sucks at the free throw line. Hard to win close games if you can't count on the easy score. The team has athletes and flash, but lacks all the fundamentals. You can talk about how the game has changed, and fantasize about the "positionless NBA," but it's still the same game it's always been.
     
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    Yup, I think this is why they can't stop other teams runs. They don't have a guy who can slow down and get them a basket.

    They tried last night and that's when most of Smith's TO's occurred.
     
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    Thanks for this. No need to go downstairs and watch the three quarters I bailed on last night.

    I'm stuck on your first sentence - "a few shooters and better leadership". Pretty much sums up the season so far.
     
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    Before Smith fired the 18 foot air ball, Jennings all but dribbled the air out of it trying to get to the lane. That's how the team is run. Instead of controlling the team, we get some sort of "ima do my thing" basketball. That may have been ok if he could break down his defender but he couldn't. He can pass -the upcourt throw to Singler was magic but the one to Drummond was full retard - it's the decision making that's misfiring. I really like KCP and I've only read about MCW and Burke but this team is STILL looking for a PG.
     

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