Away Miami Heat Monday, February 03, 2014

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  1. roscoe36

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    @ Miami Heat

    Monday, February 03, 2014 - 7:30 PM Eastern


    American Airlines Arena, Miami, FL

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    RADIO: 97.1 FM The Ticket

    GO PISTONS!
     
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    We're so going to win this.
     
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    Yep. And by an odd number too.
     
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    We've already beat em once, why not twice?
     
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    Some really interesting line ups tonight, including Dre, JJ, Singler, Stuckey and Bynum and Dre, JJ, Stuckey, Bynum AND Jennings...
     
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    You could say that this is one we could have won, but then again you can always utter those words before tip off. One might say that the Heat played down to our level by teasing us for a few minutes by letting us shave their lead down to a tie or a couple of points only to take the lead up by nine + which they did 3 or 4 times.

    The Pistons put together a furious rally at the end of the third and trimmed the lead down to 81-80 only to allow Ray Allen to hit a 3 at the to end the quarter. A three and a deuce to open the 4th and just like that we were down 89-81 and never got any closer than six despite closing the game on a 11-2 run and losing 102-96.

    Although both Jennings and Stuckey scored 26 and 20 between them, the key had to be our bigs. Dre sat out most of the first half with 3 fouls but was a dominant force in the second half with 12 pts, 12 boards and two steals and two blocks. Only 24 minutes of play where as his replacements, Singler and JJ only provided little on the offensive end.

    Despite the 6 assists by Josh, he had six critical turnovers and shot all jumpers in the fourth quarter, missing all of them....5/20 over all. In contrast nearly all of Wades game high 30 points were in the paint as he perfected his drive and swoop against KCP, Singler, Stuckey and Bynum. (Someone said wade was a game time decision?) Can't put all the blame of KCP though as he only player 2 minutes in the first half and 6 in the second. Meanwhile, Stuckey scored 20 pts in 36 mins and Singler 2 points in 33 mins.

    Monroe may have been a better choice to be out there with Dre in the all important 4th quarter when they let it get away from them. The missed shots by Smith and his 3 turnovers in the 4th can only be described as what if Moose had been in there instead of Smith??

    The Pistons had several chances early in the game to go ahead, but as usual turnovers and blocked attempts on Stuckey prevented them from getting over the hump and forcing the Heat to play catch up. In essence we played catch up for most of the game and ran out of time in the end.
     
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    Good barometer of the team this game. Not a bad effort at all . It's the guard play or lack of quality in the guard play game in and game out that is a big problem. The helter skelter play of the Piston guards just does not give Josh and Monroe a chance to do the damage they can do. Of course, the coaching doesn't help the situation. Management indicates that Monroe is not on the block which doubles down on the importance of the guards. Even Jennings "good game" is not at a high enough level. And today, he hit shots but the offense was still slipshod. Stuckey is yet another guy who wants to get into the lane--not the right fit for this squad who need someone to stretch the floor and or drive and dish. And Pope is not ready. And Bynum does not have the right skill set either.

    Dumars gets some blame for the weak bench. Singler (who is about a year away from a steady contribution) gets minutes because no one else is trusted.

    Monroe and Andre are still not playing steady enough. Andre continues to get fooled by the pump fake outside. But hey, he is only 20. Monroe was good tonight but he is supposed to be a force and not just good. But, with the lack of quality guard play and strong coaching, it may not be Monroe's fault.

    And, of course, there is no three point shooting in sight.

    You could see the talent on the team tonight but you could also see why it doesn't lead to wins.
     
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    Lot of good effort. And Singler got a free view of it all. Too many plays, he chose not to get involved. He shot one for five, got no defensive rebounds. Just minus 2 for the game, not that bad really. But unlike last game where we beat Miami, Singler did not hit a bunch of triples. In this one, he did nothing at all to warrant him playing starters minutes. And for all pratical purposes, he did start as coach put him in just 2 minutes into the game.

    Harrellson is apparently injured.

    Smith did not shoot well. But neither did he last time. Indeed, for player after player, they had similar games as last time pretty much. Stuckey scored a lot more in this one, and again, he pretty much was a starter in this one as we sat Pope two minutes into the game, and only played the kid 8 minutes total. Pope was not doing well, fouling people on jump shots, among other sins. But oh, he knocked down a triple before he was taken off the floor. By not letting him play thru mistakes, you are not letting him grow as a player. And Wade, he scored plenty on everybody else too.

    Bynum was worthless in this one.

    Of the top eight players our coach chooses to use, 6 of them contribute. Singler and Bynum, the other two, do not. We need better bench players to go along with Stuckey.
     
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    Singler was just a no show in this game. He normally provides hustle, but he was the one out hustled by Wade, old man Shuttlesworth and whomever he tried to guard. Same with Stuckey and Bynum. This has to be one of the weakest bench we have had in awhile. The team as a whole is good enough to win at least 1 out of 3 games, which means if we keep this up, we will fall short of the playoffs and out of the first round of the lottery.
     
  10. Ernie the Slow Adult

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    The Heat went with Bosh, Birdman and LeBron down the stretch and Cheecks still wouldn't put Monroe back in.

    What are the odds of Pistons going small and beating the Heat?

    That was a good effort. The Pistons didn't play well but battled. I thought the Heat were into this one also.
     
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    That was the Heat y'all. That was in Miami.

    We did many things well and competed incredibly hard. Forced a ton of turnovers and could have pulled it out with some hot 3 point shooting.
     
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    I still think we live and die on Josh Smiths' jump shot....case in point despite pointing fingers at Singler or Bynum, the worst player on the floor tonight was Josh. Six turnovers and 5/20 shooting and we lose by six points. I know the goal is to keep shooting until you get it right, but whats wrong with taking a few steps in and actually aiming it? Even when he is driving, I am not sure he is even looking at the hoop...

    Look at tonight's shot chart


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    @AndreDrummondd: We showed a lot of fight today! #LoveMyTeam
     
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    He should have shot more dunks.
     
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    This team does not run back on defense. Ever. I bet they give up three or four hoops a game because Jennings, Drummond, Smith, everybody-but-Singler are pouting about a call or just watching the game from the wrong end of the floor. I'll say this team had a good effort when everybody runs back on defense every time.
     
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    I really felt like there was something different about this game. The Heat weren't able to take it easy at any point in the game and it felt sort of like playoff basketball.

    Points in the paint: 50 to 52! That's physical.
    And 1 opportunities: 11! 5 for us and 6 by MIA. I can't remember seeing a game with so much contact on made baskets.
    Lots of fouls that weren't called with guys on their butts whining about it.
    Offensive rebounds: 19 to 13. Drummond led the way and every single Pistons except Bynum got at least 1 offensive rebound.
    Turnovers: 20 to 21! It always looks sloppy when defenses are pressuring. We pressured the Heat and the Heat pressured us.
    5 technical fouls! Again, it was physical and chippy.


    If Smith happens to make 2 shots and we avoid the techs, that's a W. If we play 75% as hard as this in a game against a lesser opponent, it's a W.


    Our points by quarter: 29, 28, 23, 16. The Heat always have an extra gear, but our pattern continues with offensive collapses in the 4th. Maybe we need to just force Jennings to play the entire 4th quarters and own the results.

    Here were our possessions in the 4th quarter:
    1. TOV
    2. TOV
    3. TOV
    4. TOV
    5. 2-point FG (jump shot)
    6. miss (hook shot)
    7. TOV
    8. 2-point FG (fade away in the paint)
    9. TOV
    10. miss (step back J)
    11. FT's 1-2
    12. TOV
    13. miss (3-point attempt)
    14. TOV
    15. miss (jump shot)
    16. miss (3-point attempt)
    17. FT's 3-3
    18. miss (jump shot)
    19. 2-point FG (lay up)
    20. 2-point FG (lay up)
    21. 2-point FG (jump shot)
    22. 2-point FG (dunk)
    23. miss (3-point attempt)
    On the first 16 possessions, we only had 4 FGA and 1 where we were fouled. We had 5 points for a ppp of 0.31

    On the next 6 possessions, we had 11 points for a ppp of 1.83. No turnovers in the last 7 possessions after turning it over in 8 out of the first 14 possessions.

    The team was frazzled by the pressure, athleticism, and physicality of MIA (even Oden). We did a good job counter punching and rattling them too, which is why I'm not upset by the outcome and draw some hope from being a witness.


    Usage leaders:
    1) D Wade: 30.3%
    2) J Smith: 28.9%
    3) Lebron: 25.8%

    Therein lies the problem. Lebron coasts to a triple double, but it out usaged by Smith, who misses 16 jump shots and turns the ball over half a dozen times.

    Guys have off shooting nights all the time, but unless they are a superstar, they quit shooting after about 10 attempts. Josh thinks he's carrying the team.
     
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    If Smith doesn't shoot, then who is going to? They could go to Monroe, but that would require him being on the court and not the bench.

    Is Jennings the answer? I think he probably is, but I don't know how much of an improvement that is.
     
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    Yup! Somebody in our starting lineup needs to be able to consistently make a jump shot! Most teams would kill to get the kind of looks we get but our whole starting 5 is a unit of brick layers outside of the paint. Perspective: Rodney Stuckey is our best and most consistent mid range shooter.
     
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    Thanks for the breakdown TaS. Although the teams almost matched each other turnovers, the four to start the 4th quarter were probably what turned the tables. Those 7 points off of turnovers quickly stretched a 4 point lead to 11 and by the time we recovered, we ran out of time. I added in the names of the Pistons responsible for both the TO's and the unsuccessful comeback.

    Lebron had a quiet almost triple double. It seem to be Bosh doing the damage in the first quarter and then Wade in the second half.
     
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    It was a tough loss, but there were some nice things happening. This was the third straight game were our half court defense actually looked respectable. Guys were rotating and recovering in a timely fashion. While we still sometimes lost track of three point shooters, we usually recovered and contested the three ball. If we can just play the type of defense that we've played over the last three games, then we should win more games than we lose.

    The main factor in last night's games was the first half officiating. It was an absolute travesty. There was a reason that we were given three technicals, and that's because we rightfully called out the refs. It's been a couple of years since I've seen such inept and lopsided whistles. Every time down the court our guys were getting hacked and hammered all over the place. I watched Mario Chalmers commit at least 15 hard fouls all by himself. I think that they called him on four. That would be fine if they called it both ways. They did not. We were getting called on some real phantom bullsh*t, and they were getting away with murder. This hurt us in a number of ways. It caused Dre to miss the first half. It got Josh Smith out of his groove. Josh Smith took 4-5 really good shots to start the game. He was hammered on nearly all of them. No calls. He never really went back inside again. Monroe was hammered on at least 4 point blank shots without getting a call. He should have shot an extra 6+ free throws in the first. Worst of all, it encouraged Miami to be even more physical since they knew that they could get away with anything. This ultimately led to us shooting 38% for the half. On the other end, it forced us to lay off a little, which helped them shoot 51% for the half. I'm not a guy who typically blames the refs, but this was outrageous.

    We could have overcome the refs if we hadn't shot ourselves in the foot with some selfish play and sloppy basketball that led to turnovers. Here are a few examples. Bynum had two turnovers, neither of them good. One was particularly horrible. He had Dre wide open in the lane and three defenders converging on him. All he had to do was toss the ball up and Dre would throw it down. Instead he selfishly drives into the teeth of the defense and gets stripped. The ball is immediately fired down court for an easy jam. That was a 4 point swing brought about by pure selfishness. Want to talk about sloppy? Rodney Stuckey is beyond sloppy. That dude is a disgusting slob. He had 4 TOs. It should have been twice that many, but the Heat let the ball slip out of their hands. Here's the Stuckey highlight of the night- The half is ending and Stuckey has the ball. It's 2 on 1 with 2 more Pistons streaking up to make it a 4 on 2 secondary break. Instead of pulling the ball out for a second, and hitting somebody wide open, Stuckey decides to charge straight into somebody's chest and turn it over. Pure selfishness. He puts the icing on the cake a few seconds later by getting chumped by a lazy Ray Allen ball fake and giving up the three point shot to close out the half. Smith had 6 TOs, almost all of which were unforced. He was repeatedly getting himself into trouble, and then just wildly whipping the ball around. There was no rhyme or reason to it. Just dumb. Moose had 2 TOs, neither of them forced, just him getting lazy with the ball and not paying attention. The list goes on and on. We had 21 turnovers to 19 assists. That's all you need to know.

    Singler, Smith, and JJ all had horrible games. We could really use a vicious "3 and D" swingman.

    Stuckey was a slob with the ball, but we really NEED him. He's averaging 20 points per 36 minutes and shooting 45%. That's Sixth Man of The Year production. We need him to tighten up his game though.

    Moose and Dre were killing them last night. They have no answer for those two.

    Jennings keeps getting better. He was getting hacked senseless last night and still looked great. We really need to find a back up PG. Bynum has reverted to his career self, and we need Stuckey to concentrate on scoring.
     
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