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  1. mercury

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    So far it looks like Bynum is more about his own scoring... I'm more impressed with Gordon as a distributor (never thought I'd say that).

    WB still needs to "get it"
     
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    I like bynum but he tries to score everytime he gets the ball while stuckey is unselfish thats why stuckey is better
     
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    Good points. Plus WB is not proven over the long haul yet. What he did last season was very impressive but teams had not the chance to scout him yet.
     
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    Guys like Will have to make their place in the league being aggressive scorers, because they do not have the benefit of being a high draft pick or have a long term deal.

    When their deal is up, all they have to negotiate with, is their stats, since they generally won't have leading roles with their team.

    I think a guy like Billups, who came in high, sunk low, and then rebounded, benefited from long term financial security, first when Joe signed him from Minny, then when Joe re-signed him.

    When the team makes a 5 year commitment of significant cash, then a player has the opportunity to diversify his game, and to put stats aside for team goals, because his personal goals are being met.

    Sort of like Maslow's hierarchy of needs.
     
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    I disagree, I just think he's fireball of a PG that NOBODY can stay in front of, he's showing that when the helpside rotation comes off of the big- he is willing to dump it off, if the helpside comes late- he's drawing contact and getting to the line, if the help doesn't come he's finishing, if his man sags off of him-he's pulling up for and hitting the short jumper. I think Will is taking what the defense is giving him, he recently said in an interview that he doesn't even look at the man guarding him, he looks at where the help is coming from because he already knows his man can't stay in front of him.....WHAT A WEAPON. I will concede that right now he isn't a pure PG/Floor General, if he had those attributes he essentially would be a $10M All-Star PG, but he is what he is, an explosive weapon to bring off the bench.
     
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    Yep he's a scorer... so was Flip Murray... everyone else stands around waiting for Chucky er Will to do his own personal thing.
     
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    The difference between Will Bynum and Flip Murray last year:

    Assists per 36 min
    Bynum= 7.0
    Murray= 2.7


    Bynum also slightly outscored him on a per minute basis.
     
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    and miniFlip enjoyed his favorite playingstyle - fast paced game - and he had great finishers for feeding.
     
  9. mercury

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    I would agree that Bynum is a special talent... this will be one of Kuester's challenges to get WB to add balance to his game.
    We know how LB would handle it... first comes the team then it's your turn...
    I just think that teams will adjust to his shoot first mentality and he'll have to take lower % shots... reminds me of the Knicks Robinson.
    But if he "gets it"... then watch out.
     
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    Here is the closest player I could find to Will Bynum on a 36 minute basis (for the purpose of evaluating his balance). WB last year vs. Isiah's career numbers:

    Stat/ WB/ Isiah
    FGA/ 15.3/ 16.1
    FTA/ 5.3/ 5.3
    Ast/ 7.0/ 9.2
    A/T/ 2.1/ 2.2
    Reb/ 3.4/ 3.5
    Stl/ 1.5/ 1.9
    Pts/ 18.4/ 19.1
    TS%/ .520 / .516

    So, if you liked the balance that Isiah had between looking for his own and sharing, then Will Bynum's ratios should also please you. Isiah shot more often, got to the line the exact same amount, and dished out more assists. He also turned it over more often, but the same as a proportion of assists. Their efficiency (total shooting %) is just about identical. They both rebounded well for their size and stole the ball a lot... Isiah being better in that stat though.

    While not at Isiah's amazing level, 7 assists/36 is pretty sweet. Especially when you consider that the guys that Will Bynum spent the most time on the court with were:

    Afflalo (defensive specialist)
    Herrmann (offensive womanizer)
    Maxiell (eats babies)
    Kwame (stone hands)

    We have ourselves a bench Isiah!
     
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    One correction - Kwame has small hands made out of stone. But other than that, great information!
     
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    Let's please not go there with the Zeke comparisons... it shows just how skewed part time player stats can be...
    no way of projecting regular rotation stats.
     
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    The criticism is that Will Bynum is selfish and needs to rethink his game to pass more and shoot less.

    I'm just pointing out that Will Bynum shoots the ball less frequently than Isiah did and passes almost as often (and way more than other notable ball hogs). I could have toned the numbers down to "per 18" and it would have showed the same thing. Obviously, I used Isiah because he is known and loved here and we understand how effective his game was.

    I don't think he should change his style at all since it is what caused Kuester to compliment him specifically after the Cleveland series.
     
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    This must be the most flattering post about Bynum. Interesting to see the stats. Just proves how good of a weapon off the bench we have.
     
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    I agree with that. Granted I haven't seen any of the preseason games, but I did watch the highlights. And in every single one of them there were 1-2 great assists by Bynum. He's leading the team in assists with 4pg in the preseason. Based on these facts, I'd say he's sharing the ball enough.

    I could see the argument for him to change his game to involve his teammates more if he was the starting PG, but that's not his role.

    Our starting PG is averaging a whopping 1.0 assists per game in these 3 preseason games while racking up 3.3 turnovers. People keep saying how he's more unselfish and distributes the ball better than Bynum. I just don't see it reflected in the stats. So, our spark PG off the bench is doing a better job of distributing the ball than our future-of-the-franchise starting PG. I don't think it is Bynum that needs to work on his game.

    PS: Once again, I want to remind everyone that I haven't seen the games. I'm just going with the stats, highlights and recaps.
     
  16. coynejeremy

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    Did you at least watch and rewatch the stats, highlights, and recaps in super slo-mo and backwards?
     
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    Both Bynum and Stuckey occasionally get into "score-only" mode and force some bad shots. As the 3rd and 4th guards on your team, though, most NBA teams do a lot worse than these two.
     
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    The ability to consistently beat your man off the dribble is a premium in this league.
     
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    I did a rough 48 minute comparison of Will Bynum last year and Michael Jordan during his first year with the Bulls.

    Will's 48 stats are 28 pts and 11 assts.

    MJ's were 35.3 and 7.3.
     
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    the comment about the starting pg averaging 1 assist may be true, but it seems from the write ups he's also spending a great deal of his playing time at SF, and this team is not our 04 team. we have 3 guards that don't need the ball passed to them in the right sweet spot to score, all 3 of them can get there own off the dribble.

    I think folks are going to have to rethink what we expect in the boxscore from players... I again will say, this is not the Pistons team we have known and loved...
     

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