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  1. Mogilny

    Mogilny All-Star Forum Donor

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    LMAO, didn't notice the comparison was Monroes regular season vs Smiths 6 games against the Pacers. That's some quality argumentation.
     
  2. Pwn Toney

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  3. Pwn Toney

    Pwn Toney All-Star Forum Donor

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    Have it your way, boss...

    Greg Monroe
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    Josh Smith
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    Monroe is younger and more efficient in slightly less time. My apologies for not working for AutoTrader and being able to dictate the display of comparison stats
     
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    Mogilny All-Star Forum Donor

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    You don't have to convince me, I'd rather have Monroe than Smith.
     
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    Laimbrane hit it. Have to look past the stats for this one. If we were comparing two players with similar games it would be worthwhile, but Smith is more a SF/PF while Greg is PF/C. Smith is a far better defender and could potentially match up with the LeBron's and Durant's of the league. Note I didn't say stop. He has more positional flexibility.
     
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    Both are good passers. Smith's shot isn't great, but it isn't terrible either. Sheed shot .319 from deep in our championship year for comparison.

    If we played JS primarily at PF, he'd attempt so few that stretching the D on occasion with a .300 shot would be useful (equivalent of a .450 mid range J, which is better than Singler's and many other players).
     
  7. Pwn Toney

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    Fixed (look up)

    I don't know how a single block per 48 mins, exactly the same amt of def. rebounds, and slightly fewer steals = considerably better

    If you're not providing any better production, then your athleticism means absolutely nothing. So, you LOOK good putting up the exact same numbers?

    +/- is useless in my opinion. Even the worst teams in the L have players with postitive +/-...where is that getting them? It's a team game and that stat tries, in vain, to assign individual value to the overall success of the entire team. It's the same reason you can take a guy who scores a bunch on a bad team, put him on a different team, and not have that team instantly become a contender.

    But even if you want to make that assertion (Smith as the 'more efficient' player), and not saying that you HAVE, NBA.com would disagree with you simply by listing the following :

    Greg Monroe: EFF Rating = + 19.95
    Josh Smith: EFF Rating = + 16.33

    I'm sorry, but I don't see the "no contest" you're referring to, unless you're referring to Greg Monroe being the better option and 6 years younger.
     
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    I agree with the stranger. I'd rather have Monroe. Plus he's younger.
     
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  9. BallDon'tLie

    BallDon'tLie All-Star 3x Fantasy Champion

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    You coulda used the Pistons' playoff stats.
    ...nevermind dude.

    I vote "no" on J-Smoove.
     
  10. Pwn Toney

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    I should be clear. I would be OK with signing him as a FA, outright, while keeping Monroe, but I see no benefit in DET giving up Monore in order to facilitate getting Smith.
     
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    Since D Howard is asking the Rockets to pursue J-Smoove as an incentive to move there....all this talk about Smith aligning with the Piston front court may be mute.
     
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    Smith allows an 8.9 PER against small forwards, 17,3 against PF's and 14.9 against centres. Last year was arguably a bad year for this guy. The year before? 1.8/15.7/12.4 respectively

    Monroe allowed 16 against PF and 19.6 against centres. Year before? Only played centre and got torched for a 19.3 PER.

    Box score stats are never a good indicator of defensive performance. You can be Allen Iverson and get 10 steals in a game and still have a poor defensive showing. And just incase, there is nobody in the league who thinks Greg Monroe is a better or even comparable defender to Josh Smith. Because it is totally false.

    Monroe is a fantastic player. But I think we are overvaluing him a little bit here. On a rookie contract, you may not consider a straight swap for JSmoove. But just standing next to each other? Smith is a far more dynamic, 2 way player that attracts a lot of attention. And he is fun to watch.
     
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    I'm afraid most of the Piston talk will end up being mute.
     
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    Which frontline do you prefer:
    Gay - Drummond - Josh Smith, or
    Singler - Monroe - Josh Smith, with Drummond coming off the bench.
     
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    I actually think I prefer option #2 **shrugs**
     
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    You know.. that may be what would happen.

    We are speculating A LOT!!!!!!!!.. Talking about Rondo, Gay, Iguodala, Smith... Like if Detroit is the only team interested in them..
     
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    You can't scratch your head and say, I will think about it, when someone raided your shooting guard at 44M. SAC should match that 44M and forget about all the indecisions.
    Denver will add another year and get IGGY. Which is probably what he wanted all along.
     
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  18. Ernie the Slow Adult

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    I think it was a good move not making Smith an offer when they met. It showed him they were serious.
     
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    I think a lot of GMs are a bit gun shy too with the new CBA. Kind of letting the market set itself so as not to look foolish.
     
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    Like, look at Al Jefferson. Demanding 15 million a year. Only team to talk to him is Charlotte. That price will plummet. We DO NOT want Al to sign for 15 million. That would set the Monore price very steep
     

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