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  1. mikhail1973

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    That's what I thought. I kind of feel the same, but unfortunately you can't run a team based on sentimental values if you want to be good.
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    If we did Ben Wallace would still be my starting Center
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    And Chauncey would still run the team
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    I simply happen to feel that his contribution to this franchise warranted a little more than he got. I don't think that's an unreasonable position. However, I did make the point that it seems to be a recurring theme here in DET. I'm not saying Will deserved $50M...I'm not saying without Will, we could never expect to see a championship. I just think it's a fair an interesting thing to talk about. Even WITHOUT more cash, Joe could have given him more than 2 years. It seems to me that more often than not, the loyalty is only expected to flow one way. When players don't show loyalty, they're selfish jerks, but if management doesn't do it, it's just business. I find it be an interesting dynamic and I come down on the side of the player in this instance.
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    Maybe the Pistons' "loyalty bank" is empty after Tay's last contract.
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    Yeah, but SA is a working example of what I've been trying to say. They hold onto and reward the guys that succeed for them and didn't look to break up the team and routinely chase the "next best thing." Yet, they manage to find themselves at the top of the league every year and don't get regarded as running their team for "sentimental" reasons. Keep in mind, we were right there at the top along with them. They stuck with what worked, while Joe kept trying to "adapt" to the league while his team was on top (i.e. change to keep pace with the losers).
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    I'm all for treating our players with respect to foster a positive working environment. Treat them well. Provide them with first class facilities and resources.
    I'm also in favor of not paying ANY player one dollar more than what we have to to preseve resources and best compete for the services of the NBA's best players.
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    They had good enough team and a coach to win year after year.
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    Our team chemistry is going to be great this year. We have character guys with a little swagger mixed in and a player's coach to boot. The only guys on the team who know Mo like him.

    The franchise is all of a sudden on the rise, which tends to make everybody less disgruntled.

    All the rookies just want to establish themselves and secure their future in the league. They aren't going to be comparing salaries of the vets. Smoove doesn't care. Stuckey and BOT don't care. The only one that should care is Bynum, and he signed the piece of paper.

    All in all, this is a problem that I can't recall Joe having in the past. Let's hope that he makes a habit of it.
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    I would say for two only. After that, they became Blazers East. Somewhat competitive but clearly not a threat to win anything.
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    Spurs Ownership/Management > Pistons Ownership (Davidson)/Management
    That can't even be argued really. The Spurs are one of the best run organizations in all of sports.
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    Over the last 3 years Bynum made $3.25M/yr, he earned every penny and then some; over the next 2 years as a reward he will earn $2.875M/yr. So a player who gave his all and shows no sign of decline gets a $375,000/yr pay cut? When the team is UNDER the soft cap? Even after the signing of the Italian Walter Herrmann there's still over $3M in cap space. So what gives?

    I get the whole market value thing, but I ask any of you reading this, if you performed your job, got excellent reviews, the boss publicly talks about how you're such an asset to the organization, and then you get a memo that your pay will be cut; even though the organization has enough money to continue to pay you your typical salary, how would you feel?
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    Maybe Bynum and his agent know something that we don't yet know.
    ...a trade perhaps that involves Joe taking back more than he sends out?

    Maybe that $375k is important.
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    ROTFLMBO!!!!
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    #1. I don't think so. I still see issues in the locker room.

    #2. Let's wait til April to judge this...based on our last 5 years.
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    It also helps to hit a jackpot on someone like Duncan.
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    Have to wonder if they drafted Darko and we drafted Duncan where this discussion would start and be going?

    edited to note, Duncan sure gave a hometown discount on his last contract.... you all want to say Bynum is being underpaid.... Duncan is a steal right now.
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    Also, if Larry Brown sticks around, I wonder what the discussion would be as well
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    Not always "giving your all" means something... I can give my all in my next week final exam and still fail.
    Bynum did improve his numbers a little bit when you go back to his past 2, 3 seasons. But not THAAAATTT much to win the "Most Improved Player" award.

    Kgreg, the same way you are asuming Joe D lack of loyaty to Bynum, you can think that maybe this is what Bynum asks for after long talks with Dumars to let the team with moe money to sign somebody else or something.

    Bynum is a 30, 31 in january. The new italian dude is 25 and comes from being the most valuable player of the Italian league (Of course, not the strongest in FIBA Basketball, we all know that, but it means something...)
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    To follow your comparision with our jobs, If i give my all and get better in my job and somebody comes and cuts my salary, I would take my talents to another company.... there are plenty reasons to not do that.
    - I don't need that money, I'm ok with what I'm earning.
    - I like my job, even if they pay me less.
    - I like my co-workers who are great friends.
    - I like the city, my kids are already living here and they are happy.
    - I don't like to move on to another city and start over.
    - Other companies don't offer me much money, maybe the same. but with all the things that I just mentioned, it doesn't worth it.
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