Discussion in 'Pistons and NBA' started by KGREG, Jul 18, 2013.
Joe Dumars is talking to this guy's agent:
04 pistons didn't have a 20 point scorer. Indiana didn't lastyear and they were super tough to beat. san Antonio barely had one in Parker.
I don't think it's a requirement.
04 was the exception, like I said- lightening in a bottle. Indy lost- maybe they win with a legit stud like Melo? San Anton is in a class all by itself.
Hamilton was damn close.
I spent too much time looking at this picture today.
Big foot.... thats so blah.... NOW Nessy, she's cool. I have been to the Loch a few times and she won't come out to see me, but I know she's there.
Neither of the Bad boy title teams had a 19 point scorer. Team scoring was even higher back then.
In the playoffs its easier to beat teams that lean on one scorer so hard unless that player can make the smart pass to the open player, something Melo has never been known to do.
Here is a picture I took with my phone when I visited Scotland.
I almost got in trouble at work because of this pic. Twice.
So the 3 Piston Championship teams were all exceptions? Let's have another exception.
The '08 Celtics and the '07 Spurs also had no players average 20.0 (Duncan was at 19.9875 in '07).
All of the other Championship years were dominated by MJ, Olajowon, Wade/Shaq, Kobe/Shaq, and one by Nowitzki.
MJ, Dream, and Kobe type players would be nice to have, but I don't think that we should rely on that model. If you don't have offensive greats like that, you need to have better balance and stifling defense. That's the formula that has worked for us in the past and it is the one that fits the image of the city (i.e. the fans appreciate it).
Top 5 scorers:
'89/ '04/ '14 projected
18.4/ 17.6/ 17.5 (smith)
17.8/ 16.9/ 16.0 (Monroe)
14.5/ 13.7/ 13.8 (Drummond at 36 min)
14.1/ 10.3/ 13.3 (Knight)
12.1/ 9.6/ 9.8 (Bynum)
If Melo is our go to guy in the playoffs then we will get beat. When he gets streaky he starts shooting more, not less. You need 3 good scorers on a team, not one. If you only have one real threat you get chumped by any defensive coach worth his paycheck. Fact.
Go back and look at every championship team for the last 12 years. They all have fantastic 2nd and 3rd options. If you don't you won't win. 04 had Billups Sheed and Hamilton. Miami is obvious. Celtics are obvious. Spurs are obvious. The Lakers, the same. The formula isn't about having a 20ppg scorer, its about having enough deadly players that you don't allow defenses to sag.
So they have swimming giraffes in Scotland ?
If we want to truly win a Championship we NEED an Alpha-Dog. The Larry Obrien Trophy is LeBron's to lose so you need to have a player that can look LeBron in the eye and not blink, or be bothered by his girth. Melo is that player. He's nowhere near as good as LeBron but he won't back down from LeBron and he'll give LeBron all he can handle offensively for 40 minutes/game in a 7 game playoff series. Kawhi Leonard and Paul George are good, but they don't bring the kind of offense that Melo brings for 7 games. We are going to need a go-to scorer on THIS team.
Melo and the Knicks didn't make it past game six against George and the Pacers.
That's a bad team with a poor assemblage of pieces that don't fit. With a Melo on THIS Piston team fits in perfectly.
Yea Melo is that Alpha dog you know will get you to atleast the conference finals all alone by himself each year.... just ignore his career of flame outs before a playoff run even gets started...... all glammer and no substance.... sorry I'll pass.
I would have taken Carmelo in '03 via draft...
I wouldn't pay him anymore than Josh Smith is getting paid...and with that said, it's not gonna happen.
When has Carmelo ever looked any opponent in the eye for a seven game series and fed him the stuff? Never...He can't carry a team. He's a volume shooter, that has horrendous streaks and plays very little defense. He's too slow to guard Lebron, he's not strong enough to guard Bosh. Carmelo will always go down as the guy that never was, IMO. Poor coaching early in his career my Karl, and he never developed into a true leader. I'd take Josh Smith/Paul George combo any day over Carmelo, and we could probably make that happen for similar amounts of money.
Some guys aren't smart enough to realize that Lebron is much better than them.
I'd rather have guys that have a healthy fear of him and buy into the coach's genius game plan to stop him as a team. We would need to institute the Lebron rules, which would also involve not saying anything stupid to the media during or leading up to a playoff series with him.
Like Tiger though, we're probably going to have to hope that he crumbles a bit if we're going to pick up a few majors.
Paul Pierce is a guy who can give ANYBODY the business. I view Melo as a bigger-better version of Paul Puerce.
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