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Josh Smith or Greg Monroe?

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What is your preference?

  1. Keep Smith (3yrs/$14m)

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  2. Keep Monroe (approx 5yrs/$12m)

    53.6%
  1. brofmfa

    brofmfa Bench Warmer Forum Donor

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    This 5 additional feet and 4 more inches things could be what Joe was wishing about and have yet come.
     
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    pass99 All-Star Forum Donor

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    This is an important key and one that Falk does not and will not, ever understand. It's a long road starting in November, and the degree of his minutes take away from the rest. It never will sit well with a place holder and the degree of competitiveness will wear ever-thin as the year progresses. As things begin to dissolve and SVG needs placement answers to finalize the season ending...Monroe may very well find himself out of rotation and sooner then he thinks. Then again, there are always self-described martyrs.
     
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    del Team Captain Forum Donor

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    Interested to read this today on the rumours of Monroe wanting Smith traded:
    Pistons' Josh Smith vows to work, ignore Monroe rumor

    "Neither side knows from where surfaced the rumors, which can certainly get away from the business of becoming a better basketball team. It appears the two haven't spoken directly about the rumors, although Monroe said he had a conversation with Stan Van Gundy, insisting he was willing to reach out to clear the air.
    "I think if things aren't true, I think the other person who people are kinda throwing under the bus, as a teammate and a man, should come to that individual and let him know that had nothing to do with him," Smith said."

    Have to agree with Smith. If it wasn't true like Monroe has been saying, why hasn't Monroe talked to him about it? I like Monroe less and less the more we learn.

    Hope this situation doesn't drag down the team this season.
     
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    kpaav Team Captain Forum Donor

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    I think Smith is going to have a good season.
     
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    junior Bench Warmer 3x Fantasy Champion Forum Donor

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    Interesting aspect of the article: Former Defensive Player of the Year runner up.

    Feels like a lot of "potential" there to me.
     
  6. pass99

    pass99 All-Star Forum Donor

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    So do I. Smith needs boundaries and SVG will provide. I have to go into this season with the understanding that Jennings will mature under solid coaching. This is a solid, but not a great group (that needs more time together). Much more exciting than the last few years. Monroe will be much more valuable coming off the bench.
     
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    BillLaimbeer All-Star 4x Fantasy Champion Forum Donor

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    I agree. I think having a decent PG in Augustin on the roster will help keep Jennings in check, as well.
     
  8. Mogilny

    Mogilny All-Star Forum Donor

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    Josh vs Dirk:

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    roscoe36 All-Star Administrator

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    I am pretty sure Michael Jordan was also a better shooter than Smith. If that comparison sounds crazy, so is comparing a sniper like Dirk to Josh. Dirk couldn't defend a wet sandwich bag for most of his career.
     
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    Mogilny All-Star Forum Donor

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    And still they shot the same number of shots per game during the 2013-14 season.
     
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  11. BallDon'tLie

    BallDon'tLie All-Star 3x Fantasy Champion

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    I think the point of the comparison is that in Josh's mind, he actually thinks that he can shoot like Dirk.
    He's a delusional jump shooter.
     
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    TaS All-Star Forum Donor

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    I'd make players qualify to get their shooting licenses if I were the coach. Set up challenge that players have to pass before they get the green light. Say 50% round the horn in the 3 point shooting contest format. They can only attempt it once per practice. Have to re affirm at least once per month.

    A player like js needs to realize it's not the coach.
     
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  13. junior

    junior Bench Warmer 3x Fantasy Champion Forum Donor

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    Everyone is like Dirk in practice...but it's practice...
     
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    junior Bench Warmer 3x Fantasy Champion Forum Donor

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    I think it would be neat to update this comparison as the season progresses.

    After four games (two games of Monroe):

    Totals
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    Smith -- 143 min, 22/70 fg, 0/7 3p, 13/25 ft, 57 pts, 31 reb (10 off, 21 def), 17 ast, 4 stl, 7 blk, 7 to
    Monroe -- 66 min, 15/29 fg, 0/0 3p, 11/13 ft, 41 pts, 29 reb (10 off, 19 def), 6 ast, 2 stl, 0 blk, 1 to

    Averages
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    Smith -- 35.8 min, 5.5/17.5 fg, 0/1.8 3p, 3.3/6.3 ft, 14.3 pts, 7.8 reb (2.5 off, 5.3 def), 4.3 ast, 1 stl, 1.8 blk, 1.8 to
    Monroe -- 33.0 min, 7.5/14.5 fg, 0/0 3p, 5.5/6.5 ft, 20.5 pts, 14.5 reb (5.0 off, 9.5 def), 3.0 ast, 1 stl, 0 blk, 0.5 to

    Percentages
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    Smith -- 31.4 FG%, 0.0 3P%, 51.2 FT%
    Monroe -- 51.7 FG% -- 3P%, 84.6 FT%

    Shooting
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    ............Percentage of Shots Taken......... Field Goal Percentage
    ............0-3 3-10 10-16 16<3 3P.........0-3 3-10 10-16 16<3 3P
    Smith -- .343 .200 .057 .300 .100............ .417 .286 .000 .381 .000
    Monroe -- .552 .414 .000 .034 .000.......... .750 .250 ---- .000 ----

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    ............... OBPM DBPM BPM VORP
    Smith --.....-4.3......2.5.....-1.8.....0.2
    Monroe --....6.1......1.4......7.5......3.3

    Offensive Box Plus/Minus (OBPM)
    A box score estimate of the offensive points per 100 possessions a player contributed above a league-average player, translated to an average team.
    Defensive Box Plus/Minus (DBPM)
    A box score estimate of the defensive points per 100 possessions a player contributed above a league-average player, translated to an average team.
    Box Plus/Minus (BPM)
    A box score estimate of the points per 100 possessions a player contributed above a league-average player, translated to an average team.
    Value over Replacement Player (VORP)
    A box score estimate of the points per 100 TEAM possessions a player contributed above a replacement-level (-2.0) player, translated to an average team.

    Summary (imho): Smith has been terrible offensively. Monroe has been great offensively. Smith has been solid defensively. Monroe has been okay defensively. Smith's terrible offense counteracts his solid defense to bring an overall negative contribution to the team, while Monroe has made up for his okay defense with his great offense to bring an overall positive contribution to the team.
     
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    I'm no John Hollinger but it would seem to me that if we got more efficient performances from Jennings & Smith, we'd be a much better team.
     
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    Junior, what were they for all of last season? 2 of the 3 games that Monroe has played in so far after his DUI suspension have been cellar dwellers, so tough to compare yet.
     
  17. BillLaimbeer

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    Yea, first 2 were away and monroe's 2 games were home, too. We'll have to follow these stats as the sample size grows.
     
  18. junior

    junior Bench Warmer 3x Fantasy Champion Forum Donor

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    Not sure if this is what you were thinking about, but here is a reference nonetheless.

    All statistics obtained from basketball-reference.com.

    Totals
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    Smith -- 77 gp, 2730 min, 517/1233 fg, 70/265 3p, 160/301 ft, 1264 pts, 520 reb (102 off, 418 def), 252 ast, 105 stl, 110 blk, 199 to
    Monroe -- 82 gp, 2690 min, 504/1015 fg, 0/1 3p, 241/367 ft, 1249 pts, 760 reb (256 off, 504 def), 171 ast, 91 stl, 47 blk, 166 to

    Averages
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    Smith -- 35.5 min, 6.7/16.0 fg, 0.9/3.4 3p, 2.1/3.9 ft, 16.4 pts, 6.8 reb (1.3 off, 5.4 def), 3.3 ast, 1.4 stl, 1.4 blk, 2.6 to
    Monroe -- 32.8 min, 6.1/12.4 fg, 0/0 3p, 2.9/4.5 ft, 15.2 pts, 9.3 reb (3.1 off, 6.1 def), 2.1 ast, 1.1 stl, 0.6 blk, 2.0 to

    Percentages
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    Smith -- 41.9 FG%, 26.4 3P%, 53.2 FT%
    Monroe -- 49.7 FG% -- 3P%, 65.7 FT%

    Shooting
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    ............Percentage of Shots Taken......... Field Goal Percentage
    ..............0-3 3-10 10-16 16<3 3P....... 0-3 3-10 10-16 16<3 3P
    Smith -- ....318 .224 .050 .238 .170............ .771 .366 .186 .324 .303
    Monroe -- .524 .321 .060 .094 .000.......... .632 .368 .410 .242 .000

    Advanced
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    ............... OBPM DBPM BPM VORP
    Smith --.....-1.5......0.9.....-0.6.....1.0
    Monroe --..-0.1......0.3......0.2.....1.5
     
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    TaS All-Star Forum Donor

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    That feels right for Smith. Minus on offense and plus on defense. It's just a shame that he is so wasteful. Lots of talent.
     
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    I have yet to see a game this season, only have the box scores to look at.... Smith's 3's are way down but he's shooting like... umm.... well I would.. LOL. Is he taking bad long 2 point shots or just missing what should be in his confort zone. If its in the paint 2's he's missing those will come about, but if he's taken a step inside the 3 point line then thats actually worse then taking 3's at his crazy rate.

    Also what the heck has happened to his FT shooting... he once shot in the 70 percent range.
     

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