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Away Indiana Pacers - Wednesday, March 8, 2017

Discussion in 'March 2017' started by roscoe36, Sep 25, 2016.

  1. del

    del All-Star Forum Donor

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    Mentioned in another post, but we do not have players with any decent bball IQ other than Smith or Baynes.

    And on the eye test, we are the worst passing team in the league (*prone to correction by actual stats and people with opinions who watch games other than the Pistons like I do).



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  2. BillLaimbeer

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    I agree. Our passing is terrible. On the bright side, we commit the 3rd fewest turnovers in the league at 11.5 per game.
     
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    Harris has a high basketball IQ too.
     
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    We have tons of players with a high bball IQ. This is the NBA. Very few guys separate themselves from the masses and get there unless they understand the game.

    We are still a young team and are without a clear leader or a bonafied superstar. That just means we don't really have cohesion yet, not that we have knuckleheads.
     
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    I'd go with the knucklehead theory.
     
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    If you have a good vertical and are over 6'6" ...
     
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    There are two ways to get to the NBA:
    1- you have a natural gift, either in the form of out of this world skill (see: Kobe, Melo etc) or have some sort of physical attribute that gives you advantage (see: Darko, Monroe, Boban, McGee etc)
    2- you are deficient in one way or another and you work your butt off to make it (see: Big Ben, Isaiah Thomas (the Boston one), Bynum, Baynes etc)

    Both are on a spectrum. Some have a certain level of natural talent, but it's not so great that they still have to work hard and carve their way into a roster spot (Korver for example)

    Guys who fall more in bucket #2 become fan favorites. Guys who are more towards the other bucket are frustrating to watch. Guys who are squarely in the first bucket, but still work their asses off as if they've got zero talent become legendary (LeBron, Duncan, Dirk, Curry etc)
     
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    I'd include Kobe in the last category.
     
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    I never forget Ben Wallace hitting the weight room after games (win or lose) to pump iron. Ben was convinced that he needed to be stronger to be better.

    I also never forget that after bad shooting nights, both Jordan and Kobe would stay up all night in a gym taking hundreds and hundreds of shots.

    I don't see that level of obsession or single-mindedness on our roster. To be fair, we don't have any Kobes or Jordans on our team.
     
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    Yeah...but...I just don't like him man.
     
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    Even people you don't like have attributes that demand respect.

    Kobe was a fierce competitor. He may have also been a dirtbag, but one does not negate the other. You can be a fiercely competitive dirtbag.
     
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    You're great. That image needs to become a forum meme.
     
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    I agree that bigs can sometimes make it into the league without having a solid bball IQ. But even Boban seems to have a pretty solid grasp of the game and has some nice passing ability... even though he doesn't get to show it off.

    I am pretty sure that every single player on the team understands basketball more than any of us here. They've been through thousands of hours of coaching sessions, teams meetings, film study, specific workouts, etc. Most of them have been through that from AAU, middle school, high school, college, and now the pros. Most of them went to major college programs with extremely qualified coaches and then have gotten to work with pro coaches like Popovich and the Notorious SVG. They have the plays memorized and know every permutation. They have defensive schemes. They have inbound plays.

    There was a lot of discussion with the football IQ of Devin Hester. He supposedly scored a 70 on his IQ test, which would make mentally retarded (officially). He still did pretty well for himself and the team. He just had issues memorizing the playbook to be a receiver. I don't think we have any dudes like that with actual cognitive problems.

    And I have the feeling that all of our players would look like geniuses if they were playing for the Spurs.
     
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    You know who had a super high bball IQ?

    Spencer Dinwiddie.

    Dude was a savant at breaking down tape (no joke).

    Is he still in the league? :cheeky-smiley-012::cheeky-smiley-012::cheeky-smiley-012:
     
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    Jason Kidd should hire him.
     
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    You will get a first-hand look at the Mayor in a week-and-a-half. He plays about 25 minutes a game for Brooklyn.
     
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