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  1. basketbills

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    He can catch a pass better than Stone Hands though. And Nazr has made a good living for a long time in the NBA.
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    His rebound rate is at 6.8 per 36. This is less than half of Drummond's and places Slava behind Drum, Monroe, Maxiell, Villanueva, and Jerebko on the team. Daye was rebounding at 6.5/36 and he was on the perimeter.

    Slava's block rate is also pretty bad so far. It's at 0.9/36, which is the same as Charlie V and a hair above Austin Daye's 0.8 rate.

    Those are the 2 things that I figured he's do well.


    One big surprise is how well Slava has been able to get to the line. His FTA per 36 are tops on the team, except for Maggette and Middleton. However his 5-21 (.238) shooting from the line turns that into a negative as well. The more fouls he draws, the worse off we are. Any time he gets the ball in the paint, he perpetually pump fakes until he gets fouled or stripped... both resulting in roughly the same outcome for us.

    Except for the admission that he was out of shape shortly after his big break, his sub par stats, and his sleepy vibe, I really like the guy so far and want to see more.
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  3. Ernie the Slow Adult

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    I championed Maxey to fill the role Ben Wallace played last year as a defense fortifying back up big man, but he isn't big enough to play that role. He might be worth keeping around as the 5th big because like Bynum I think you can not play him for a long stretch of games and he can still be effective.

    It is probably wise to remember that the Pistons have been playing without Drummond when we look at these guys. It is easy to forget the impact he made and how bad they were prior to this year.
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    I agree with much of the analysis here. Monroe, Drummond (soon) and Calderon could start in the NBA per Tayshawn. But how many experienced shooters does the team have? One: Calderon. I just can't count on CV.

    Sure, Bynum and Maxiel might make back ups for many teams. But let them back up somewhere else. The Pistons can't win games with the current crew. And every time these two or CV have a good game, or Stuckey, the idea is to bring them back. Joe has done a lot of that. Maybe he had no choice. But he now does have a choice. You can't move them all at once, but I would say move them one by one. At least, we can bring in shooters. We are not losing anything by moving these players on the defensive end and gaining a lot on the offensive end.

    We know one thing: a team with Monroe and Drummond will need a real point guard and shooters around the arc. The current crew of veteran players can't shoot...
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    Stuckey and Maxiel are not rotation players, period; and Kyle is a borderline rotation player depending on the team/situation. Middleton is .......eh. If you've rode the bench ALL YEAR, you better show and prove that the coach was making a HUGE mistake by not playing you (the way Tayshaun did with RC) and he didn't do that IMO. He's no scrub, but certainly not a starting SG/SF.
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    If the Pistons got rid of Stuckey they'd have to play English and Middleton meaning they'd at least have 3 point shooters and youth/athleticism/going forward on the floor for the most part. Moving Tay was the first step in this.

    The guys they're using in place of them may not be long term answers, but they would provide the blueprint for where the team would improve its' roster.
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    All I know is that after watching this game, it's clear to me that the organization is not concerned with winning basketball games. They have clearly cast their lot with getting the highest draft pick possible and banking on overspending for mid-level talent with their main man Capp Spayce. I know there's no way they can tell the public that they are tanking, but after watching this 2nd Indy game, I think it's clear that's what they are doing.

    A) Bynum punching Hansborough last night was the 2nd best thing I've seen all season. The 1st being Andre Drummond.

    B) Bynum was CLEARLY the best player on the floor for the Pistons last night and the only one who showed any 'fight' at all, yet we were still 'gifted' with two full qtrs of Stuckey.

    C) I don't care who your favorite players are on this roster. There is no reason to believe that players like Magette and Jerebko deserve ZERO time while English and Middleton get minutes IF you claim you want to make a push for the last playoff spot.

    D) I'm sick to death of hearing that you have to earn your minutes on this team while guys like Tay (now gone), Maxiell, and Stuckey ROUTINELY provide NOTHING, yet are cemented in their spots/playing time while guys like Magette, CV, & JJ need an act of god to get on the floor.

    IMO, this team has had very little interest in competing this year for a playoff spot and I honestly believe they gave up immediately after that 0-8 start. It's not so much the losses that bother me, but instead the ridiculous standards for getting time on the floor, the insanity behind playing Stuckey NO. MATTER. WHAT., & the continued lack of effort from the coaching staff to change ANYTHING going poorly on the floor with the exception of Frank calling timeout and hobbling to the free throw line like Willow AND THEN subbing OUT the players who have actually been playing well. Why the hell were we forced to watch an entire 9pt 1st qtr of failure with NO SUBSTITUTIONS? Then, we run the same 'fail' back out there in the 3rd as if we were waiting for the Magic Randomizer to shake up the outcomes of our lackluster efforts. Also, no more of this starting the pick and roll at HALF COURT and our 'ball handlers' passing our 7 footers the ball 21 feet from the basket and then RUNNING AWAY, leaving them to create for themselves like some kind of reincarnated Toni Kukoc. There's also no point in requesting that our best player (Monroe) actually see the ball more than 3 times a night, because having a 7ft player who can play with his back to the basket is of NO USE to you during most games.

    I'm also kind of tired of hearing about how awful Bynum is when he ROUTINELY puts up twice the assists of any starter in HALF THE MINUTES. During the Indy game in DET, Bynum was the ONLY Piston who looked to have his crap together and actually willing to challenge the Pacers. Yep, he takes bad shots sometimes, but EVERY shot Stuckey takes is a bad shot. When I see a guy sprinting back to a wide open 3pt shooter, he rarely has #12 on his back...it's usually #3.

    This whole thing reminds me of how having Lindsey Hunter play 10 mins a night was the 'worse thing to happen to the Pistons in team history.' Bynum is one of the few guys on this team that does his job and he gets more crap than just about anyone on the roster for the amount of time he plays. He showed it last night in his play ON the court and getting thrown OFF of it. He's one of the few guys I want to see back next year and for my money he is the perfect example of Piston DNA, as it were.

    :rant:
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    Good post, Low. I don't mind 10 minutes of Bynum here and there, if he happens to re-sign with the Pistons this summer. With Drummond out, Bynum seems to be the only guy to play with a real sense of urgency when he is on the floor. Perhaps his journey to get to the NBA has led him to a "play each game like it's your last" mentality.
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    Exactly. If I had a nickel for every time that's happened to me.
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    (EXPLETIVE) Tyler Hansborough!
    Gores should ask himself "what would Cuban do?" and pay Teen Wolf's fine for him.

    I've come to the conclusion that every minute of run that Rodney Stuckey gets is a personal favor to Joe Dumars.
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    Gores should pay the fine and Stuckey should serve the suspension for him.

    As annoying as Hansborough is, he really didn't do much to provoke Will (on that play at least). He just set an average screen and happens to be a lot taller.
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    I believe the correct Rufus Henry response is: "Yeah, mang!"
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    It sort of looked like that ref was sprinting at Bynum to throw a punch. Glad Will didn't notice it, because he may have decked him too out of self defense. Then he'd really be in some trouble.

    Also notice how quickly Tyler backtracks when our enforcer comes onto the scene.
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    Chaz or the lobster?
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    Firstly, great post. Secondly, this really struck me. Maybe not so much for JJ (each time I have seen him play it has been below average), but definitely for Maggette. Everyone knew he wasn't going to get the same kind of time per game, but zero? I would much rather see Maggette play than Stuckey, and that is saying something. He is bad at defense, but why are we not bring on this guy when our offense is stagnant? If BoT can chuck 11 jumpers there is no reason that Bad Porn shouldn't see the floor.
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    Maggette > Stuckey.
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    I can't help but feel we are bonding.
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    The only possible reason I can see for Stuck getting ANY playing time at all is to try and genterate some sort of trade value so Joe can send him to another team on draft night or in the offseason. Maggette is an expiring deal and while I'd much rather see him play than Rodney, Porn does absolutely nothing to potentially enhance the future of the team.

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