[HVC] Ups and Downs of Round One - Pistons / Magic

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  1. roscoe36

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    Ups and Downs of Round One - Pistons / Magic
    by the stat sprocket

    In the playoffs we all know that the bench gets shorter and that key players play more. What I’ll look at here is which players in the Pistons / Magic series were more or less productive than during the regular season. As we’ll see below the story of the first round is pretty much in line with what we thought might happen. The Pistons front line, especially Prince, stepped up their games and dominated the Magic. And as many observed before the series started, the Magic are very weak at the point, and Nelsen ended up with a particularly disappointing first round. What we might not have expected is how much better than expected Grant Hill played, and how much worse than expected Rip Hamilton played.

    Both the Pistons and the Magic data tables below have the same information. The columns, for both the regular season and the first round of the playoffs, are…

    % Minutes – the share of team minutes each player accounted for (for either 82 regular season games or the four games in the first round)

    % Sprocket Points – the share of team Sprocket Points (share of statistical productivity) each player accounted for
    Index – The ratio of % Sprocket Points to % Minutes. An index above 100 indicates that a player is more productive than the average player on that team, an index below 100 indicates that the player is less productive.

    Productivity Ratio – a measure of how the player’s playoff performance compares to his regular season performance. A value above 1.0 indicates that the player stepped up his performance in the playoffs. Note that this is normalized to minutes so merely playing more won’t help a player. To have a productivity ratio greater than 1.0, the player has to be more productive on a per minute basis than in the regular season.

    (Note that I’ve bumped Webber’s productivity assuming he would have played at the same level all season if he had been on the roster in Detroit for the full 82.)

    For Detroit…

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    Prince –

    Shows the biggest increase in productivity from the regular season. He played more minutes against the Magic (16.0% versus 14.4% during the season), and produced more. This was the Prince we’ve been hoping to see.

    Webber and Wallace –

    The rest of the frontline also stepped up. More minutes and more productivity from both Webber and Wallace.

    McDyess and Delfino –

    Off the bench these two guys were the heroes. Dice played more minutes than in the regular season and Delfino fewer, but both were more productive during their time on the court in the first round. Remember though that Dice’s numbers include the first half of the season when he wasn’t playing nearly as well. Compared to the second half the first round was something of a disappointment.

    Billups and Hamilton –

    Billups was rock steady, playing the exact same way in the playoffs as in the regular season, more minutes and more productivity, but at basically the same rate. Hamilton however is another story. The physical game Orlando played against him took away a good part of his production. Rip was only 74% as productive in the first round as in the regular season. While Billups seems able to withstand his 42 minute per game playoff pace, Hamilton wasn’t able to sustain his usual performance at just over 40 minutes per game.

    Murray and Hunter –

    Neither player had a good run. Murray had a nice defensive series, but 17% shooting just won’t get it done. Likewise for Hunter who didn’t scratch in very limited minutes.

    Davis –

    DD played at his usual rate, and probably did what the team wanted – shoving Howard around and committing a foul about every three and a half minutes.

    For Orlando –

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    Dooling and Hill –

    Although Dooling only played 16 minutes per game versus Hill’s 36, both players were much more productive in round one than in the regular season. If this was Hill’s swan song, he made the most of it. Why Dooling didn’t play more is anyone’s guess.

    Arroyo and Milicic –

    Both ex-Pistons stepped up their games a bit in round one. Unfortunately for the Magic Arroyo’s minutes were cut even though he was more productive than Nelsen in both the regular season and the playoffs. Maybe one day he’ll find a home, but as long as Hill is at the reins in Orlando, this won’t be it. And poor Darko. He made the most of the time he had and the Magic would have been the better for more minutes.

    Turkoglu, Howard, and Nelson –

    The terrible trio must shoulder a lot of the blame for the sweep. Together their minutes increased by 22% over the regular season (38.5% to 47.1%), but their productivity only went up by 7% (45.6% to 48.9%). Howard and Turkoglu were down 10% compared to the regular season and Nelsen down 15%.

    Reddick, Battie, and Ariza –

    While Battie played a few more minutes in round one than in the regular season, both Reddick and Ariza saw their court time cut. None of the three played anywhere near their levels during the regular season.
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    The stats pretty much confirmed what I believed before the series. Only suprise was how poorly rip played.

    Dice and Delfino showed how good they can be off the bench, it's a nice change of pace to throw against other teams as they are far more aggressive than the starters.

    As for Orlando, the main thing the stats showed is how stupid BHill is. How the best performing players don't get the most minutes is mind boggling. Battie and Nelson should have played half their minutes. Any coach that gets swept without making any adjustments is begging to get canned.
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    In a series in which ten of the twenty-one players who took a shot ended up shooting over 50%, for Rip to come in at 39% is a little ugly. Dice was worse, shooting 25% but doing a lot of other stuff to fill out his stat sheet. Rip took the most shots of anyone in the series (57).

    FG%
    JMax - 100%
    Darko - 59%
    CWebb - 58%
    Howard - 55%
    Prince - 54%
    Billups - 52% (60% from two / 40% from three)
    Delfino, Hill, Redick, and Turkoglu at 50%
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    Very interesting stuff, dba. Jameer was big in Game 3, but I guess he pretty much sucked for most of the rest of the time.

    Rip hit those big shots at the end of Game 4, so hopefully that can give him some momentum going into the Chicago series. He really did struggle a lot, but the other 4 starters stepping it up was enough to handle Orlando.
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    I'm not sure what to think of the Arroyo situation. From a statistical standpoint and a team standpoint, he outperformed Nelson all year long. Yet, he always seemed to be in Hill's doghouse.

    You all saw what Nelson did in game 3. I think that performances like that cemented him in Hill's mind as having more potential than Arroyo, even though it happened infrequently.

    Even in the playoffs, Milicic and Arroyo led the team in Roland Rating and +/- while Battie and Nelson were on the bottom.

    In a 4 game sweep, both Arroyo and DM were both breakeven or better.

    Orlando Magic NBA stats and data from 82games.com
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    I wonder if RCola sunburns easily.
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    Good stuff guys.
    hope these numbers don't drop in the next series.
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    Do the Sprocket Points account for FG%? With McDyess shooting 8-for-32, I was surprised that your comparison showed he actually improved during the playoffs, albeit slightly.
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    You get points for points and penalized for misses. Misses are penalized based on the expected value of average NBA shots - i.e., what the team would have expected to get if the shooter had turned down the shot and given up the ball to an average team mate.

    For Dice, boards were up by over 50% in round one and pretty much every other stat (include free throw percent) was up in the 40% range. Those things made up the difference.
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    Also, Dyess started out pretty slow, so although his numbers over the whole season are decent, they are not as good as they were during his last couple of months of the season.
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    Da fake Ball was the big thing.

    And he's always been a slow starter.
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    You know who didn't have any trouble with the fake ball? Amir Johnson.
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    That's because I sacrificed a virgin synthetic ball before the season in my 2000 square foot shrine devoted to Amir Johnson.

    I forgot to include Dyess in the ceremonies or we might have pushed 60 wins this year.
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    Rip also struggled with the new ball. It was an experiment that went wrong. Stern needs to step down.:gun1:

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