How much Money for Moo$e

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  1. Mogilny

    Mogilny All-Star Forum Donor

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    I enjoy having him on the team and would like to keep him. He's a good player, I don't think anyone argues that.
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    If we think that Smith has attitude issues, why are we even discussing the merits of having Cousins on our team instead of Monroe? Monroe's motor seems to be alright if you ask me. I think he put some time in this summer, but does everything quietly. We have 5/8ths of the season to evaluate him, and if he doesn't seem like a franchise guy, trade him.
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    To be fair, Monroe is better than Lee on defense. Lee doesn't play a lot in the low post either.

    I think it's quite safe to assume Monroe will get the max in the open market. And we'll most likely match it aswell. It's not that bad really. Right now, we're barely over the cap, and we pay Stuckey and CV $16.5M this season and Monroe about 4. Next season, we'll get $20M off the books right there. If we then give $15M to Monroe, we'll still be at 5 less than this season. In two seasons, Bynum and Jerebko will be gone (like 7m total). They can easily be replaced by cheaper options.

    The only time I see a real problem is the last season on Smith's contract, when we'll have to pay Monroe, Smith and Drummond big contracts (Probably 15m + 14m + 15m) for one season. And KCP is looking for an extension at that time aswell.

    Edit: 33 year old David West, who avg 17/7 got 12m/year from Indiana, and Larry Sanders got 11m/year for blocking shots alone. Monroe will definitely get the max.
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    I haven't seen too much in the way of just negativity.
    There haven't been a lot of Moose Droppings left here.
    People just seem genuinely concerned about paying the max for him.
    We all know there are a lot of contracts to contend with very soon.
    JDs recent history with generous contracts tends to scare me.
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    I think people are waiting to see the second coming of Tim Duncan or Hakeem Olajuwon. To be honest, I don't think he's a "Max" player either, but if that's what you have to pay him in order to maintain your team, then so be it. OKC didn't want to pay James Harden and look how that's turning out. Harden, Durant and Westbrook would have been an unstoppable trio for along time.

    And don't forget about Brandon Jennings, who will also be looking for a pay raise in 3 years, the same time that we have to re-up Drummond. The last year of Smith's contract is going to be very costly for Mr.Gores if this team realizes it's full potential

    Scary isn't it! A 33 Year old David west gets $12M for 3 years? WOW! That means if Smith is still productive in the 4th year of his deal, he won't be entertaining a pay cut!
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    Who is a better player, Monroe or West?
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    West has a more versatile game.
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    Question? How does it work when you frontload a players contract? We're going to have a few extra dollars to spend this summer, but I don't see where we actually need to spend the money, can we use that money to frontload Monroe's contract in the first year making it a cheaper contract as the years go by?
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    Right now, today....I say West, mainly because of his experience and ability to do what he wants to do on the court on any given night. Next year? Easily- Monroe.
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    The test is this season. Monroe put up very good numbers being the primary frontcourt option with zero competition.

    This year, he's going to need to share the ball around. Will he develop a reliable jumper or be a specialist low post scorer and rebounder?

    His game will need to grow, he's not just going to be able to go and do what he did the last 3 years, because on a bad team it's amazing, but on a good team, it's just good.
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    Almost no one front loads contracts.
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    I think in general that is the case, but it may not matter with Monroe because they don't need cap space to re-sign him.

    That's a good idea.


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    Monroe put up 15+ and 16+ ppg as the primary option on a bad team the last 2 years. Scoring is supposed to be what he hangs his hat on.

    If he gotten north of 18 per game last year I would be optimistic.


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    I think this is becoming more common. Favors in Utah just did this, I think.

    Teams do it a lot when courting RFA's also.


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    The current CBA limits the max salary change for consecutive years to 4.5% of the first year salary for non-bird free agents. You can "front-load" a contract by offering a signing bonus up to 15% of the total guaranteed money but from a cap-stand point this is pointless since the signing bonus is spread over the deal. The only difference is that matching teams also have to pay the money in the first year.

    Source: Some random forum post
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    Just playing with the numbers, I see Moose easily getting 5 years-$70M, which isn't too bad, the first year of his contract would be about $12M and top out at a little over $15.5M in his final year. But will LA offer upwards of $80M and force us to match?
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    From where comes this theory of LA going after Moose? Is there a player who feels less like a Laker than Monroe? It seems more likely to me that a team like Philly, Charlotte or Phoenix breaks the bank for him.
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    He probably would look pretty good next to Nerlens Noel.
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    From my friends who are die hard Laker fans..........I know, I kow........:lame:
    It makes more sense, but I see those teams in the same category as us...Detroit....SANE! I don't think ANYONE is going to mistake Moose a franchise big, so smalller market teams won't pay the big bucks.....but the Lakers can and might do the INSANE and pay him franchise money even though they know he isn't that type of player.

    BTW, he'd be PERFECT in Philly, assuming they re-up Evan Turner.
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    Guys we are talking about a rookie extension here, not a CBA max contract (30% of salary cap + add ons). The best that Moose can hope for is a 4yr/60m contract. He won't get the designated player contract (which will go to Drummond, obv), and he is a very tradeable 15m/yr player.

    Offensively, he is a top 10 big man, defensively, neutral or maybe slightly above average.

    We need to stop dissing this guy. He is seriously talented. Personally, I think we can get more value through a sign and trade but I wouldn't be unhappy if we kept him around.

    The one exception to this is older players who take on multi year deals, and injury prone players (although they tend to end up as frontloaded through clause activation.
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