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How do you ELIMINATE TANKING?

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  1. BillLaimbeer

    BillLaimbeer All-Star 4x Fantasy Champion Forum Donor

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    Agreed. If it were more advantageous to miss the playoffs than make the playoffs, the system is seriously flawed.
     
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    Snake draft?
     
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    Then, the best teams end up doing well in the draft. It seems like the crappy teams should get the best draft to help balance the league.
     
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    Wouldn't that make it more advantageous to be crappy?
     
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    junior Bench Warmer 3x Fantasy Champion Forum Donor

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    There are two main aspects to this debate:

    1) How do we eliminate tanking?

    2) How do we maintain the parity of the league?

    To answer the first question is easy, give the best team the best pick. That would completely eliminate tanking.

    Another way that would completely eliminate tanking is to make the draft lottery completely random. Everyone gets the same odds.

    However, with both these solutions, we have to wonder how do we create the most competitive professional basketball league.

    The idea of giving the worst team the best draft pick is great. Only if the teams themselves did not know they were going to get the worst pick.

    If every team all had the same idea: Winning is all that matters. Rewarding the team who tried their best win, but failed would be best.

    You will find there is not really tanking in the NFL or the MLB, at least to the degree of the NBA. Sure, the MLB trades away their stars for minor league players at the deadline. But, they are investing in their future not for a chance of getting a top pick in the draft. But for known minor league and prospective talent.

    NFL teams really don't tank, even though the lottery system goes completely backwards worst gets best, best gets worst. Simply due to the dilution of talent in the NFL. Let's say the Colts tanked to get Andrew Luck back in the day. Colin Kaepernick and Russell Wilson were both in that class and have brought their teams even greater success.

    So due to the capacity for a number 1 pick to completely change a franchise: Magic, Kareem, Shaq, Olajuwon, Duncan; I wouldn't say tanking might be all that bad?

    What is the main reason to eliminate tanking, we ask?

    To make every game more competitive.

    I think in the grand scheme of things, having the worst teams acquire these star players make the league more competitive for a decade, rather than for the half of a season a team is tanking.

    It does not seem right that the 9th best team in the league should stay the 9th best team in the league forever. Never making the playoffs, but never having a real chance to improve their roster. A team like the Phoenix Suns has the cap space to sign great players, but is not the market these players want to go to. And they will be on the outside looking in at an unreal Western conference for years to come. As a GM for the Suns, what do you do?

    The right answer should be to win at all costs, try to make the playoffs. But, franchises like the Hawks, Raptors, Grizzlies, will they ever make it over the hump? Out of the realm of mediocrity from being a team just missing or just making playoffs, but never able to reach that championship and never receiving a star player that can bring them that championship?

    Somebody always has to lose. Who is it going to be?
     
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    Mogilny All-Star Forum Donor

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    Step 1. After each season a jury sits down and decides which front office that has made the worst decisions. The outcome of this is a front office-index. Step 2. An algoritm based on metro size, local tv revenue, merchandise sales etc that creates a factor for the size of the market. Use the market size factor to weight the front office index and you get the draft order. It would be just like that bowl stuff in college football.
     
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    Slippy All-Star Administrator Forum Donor

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    I like the losers tournament the best. non playoff teams play for lottery balls.
     
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    round All-Star 1x Fantasy Champion

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    As Junior said there isn't much tanking in baseball or football, chances of going from the worst team in the league to one that can fight for championships is slim... where in basketball you hit the lottery one year and your whole franchise can ride that horse deep into the playoffs... (Cavs).

    I think the current system with a poison pill of some sort would work best... worst record can pick 5th at best and 2nd can get the 4th pick, while 3rd gets at best the 3rd. The worst teams in general will get the top picks but coming in the bottom 3 means you can not get a top pick so there is some teeth in not allowing your bad teams to go into an all tank mode.
     
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    Hand-out some SERIOUS financial penalties for teams playing badly.
    Make owners pay a substantial "Suck Tax" that gets donated to charities of the NBA's choosing.
    Make players give back a percentage of their salary based on their team's position in the standings at the end of the season.

    You finish 15th in the EC? ...you give back 15% of your paycheck.
    This money goes directly toward the economic equation of making ticket prices cheaper for fans.
     
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    what if the 8 worst teams (or even more) received an equal amount of ping pong balls? I mean, there is not such a big difference among them and it would somewhat reduce the incentives to play particularly bad.
     
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    What is the main reason to eliminate tanking, we ask?

    To get more of the attendees to actually watch the court.
     
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    I think there is some sense that it is unjust to reward failure.
     
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    You mean the BCS nonsense that everyone has hated for the last decade?
     
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    This has the potential to make things a lot worse.
    If your #7 - #10 in your conference, I'd have to imagine that your owner would hand down the directive to get into the bottom eight and have a decent shot at a franchise altering top-3 pick rather than be served up for a 1st round sweep by one of the top teams in the conference.
     
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    Perhaps the current system is the best we can do. In the last 10 years, the team with the worst record has picked first ZERO times.

    Year - Record of team to pick 1st
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    2005 - 6th worst
    2006 - 5th worst
    2007 - 6th worst
    2008 - 9th worst
    2009 - 2nd worst
    2010 - 5th worst
    2011 - 8th worst
    2012 - 3rd worst
    2013 - 3rd worst
    2014 - 9th worst
     
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    Yeah but they were least likely to do so...:eyebrows:
     
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    Use the rankings by the all-star break.
    Give each team 1 ping pong ball that is equivalent to their position. Team with the best record gets 1 ball, 2nd best record gets 2 balls all the way down to 30th team getting 30 balls. At this point the worst team has 6.45% chance of landing the top pick, the best team has 0.2% chance of landing the top pick, with all the other team spread between those two accordingly.

    After the all-star break, reward and additional ping pong ball for each win.
     
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    Please refrain from calling this perfectly understandable system nonsense.
     
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    If it has a subjective human polling element in it, as well as a computer element that rewards teams for piling on points against cupcakes, couldn't you argue that it is nonsense?
     
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    Baseball and football have less top heavy drafts. The reward for tanking isn't as high.
     
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