How do you ELIMINATE TANKING?

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  1. max

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    Maybe tanking is the main thing that the fans of poor teams interested?
     
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    I still think there would be tanking. The teams that are the 4th through 8th spots would all be tanking to land in the bottom 5. The new system just shifts who is tanking.
     
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    I guess I could see a team being miffed if they had some future 1st round picks in their back pocket as part of a previous trade.
    For instance, if I had the Pistons 2015 1st rounder, I wouldn't want any changes to the current lottery rules.

    If/when they do implement a rule change, they'll likely have to give a couple years notice so that some old trade assets/draft picks can be played out.
     
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    What about a no tanking rule?
     
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    The 76ers can go pound sand. It is no ones fault that they are trying to be bad on purpose and not putting a good line up on the floor. They got 2 draft picks this year.

    If I had my way. The lottery would be the top 8 spots. I would adjust the cap to make the cap hit increasingly more expensive each year you land in the lottery. This would make it not financially sound to tank and pay more for the cheap talent.
     
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    Obviously impossible to enforce because it's a subjective opinion.

    The only solution to tanking is to get rid of record as a determinant of draft slot. As long as there is more of an advantage in losing than in winning, teams will lose.

    On the other hand, what the league could say is that a team that wins the lottery loses any league assistance (such as luxury tax redistribution) in order to make it so that they don't have a financial safety net that acts as a welfare that enables teams to not worry about how the fans feel.

    I still think that the last slot in the playoffs should be a play-in tournament (PIT) with all of the lottery teams. The winners in each conference not only make the playoffs, but they also split the top two overall picks. The semi-finalists get the next two, with the 1st and 3rd seeds going to the teams in whichever conference produces the NBA champion. The next four slots go to the first-round PIT winners, and the final eight slots go to the out-and-out losers. Those 12 slots are lotteried off based on record. Caveat: no team can be in the top 4 two years in a row. (Actually, I rather like this rule and think it should be applied immediately).

    I mean, I get the need to give teams hope, but how about those organizations EARN that hope, and let that hope exist through the end of the season? If you're a decent-enough team to make the playoffs, then giving you a potential superstar actually COULD make a difference in the league balance.

    Also get rid of the "can't trade picks in consecutive years" rule. I hate that thing.
     
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    PIT was great idea, post season games for both play-off and lottery teams.
     
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    How about this... last place team each year has to hang a banner in their arena for all time that shows the year, record, and owner name. For the next season, their uniforms have to have an asterisk after their team name. Bucks*
     
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    Yes.
     
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    Make a strong disincentive to win the lottery.

    Like, if you win the lottery you get the #1 pick, but you also have give a multi year contract to Charlie Villenueva and he has to average 30mpg over the 82 games of the season
     
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    Here is a thought:

    Take all of the teams that do not make the playoffs and rank them by winning percentage of games after March 1. Teams with the best percentage get the most ping pong balls.

    This gives HUGE incentive for ALL of the bad teams to try to win EVERY late-season game. Plus, you still have the concept of creating league parity since the worst 14 teams are getting the top 14 players.
     
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    I love this idea.
    It would (possibly) make the end of the season more exciting too.
     
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    There could be a last game of the season where a team's loss could take them from the 16th pick to the 1st pick if they tanked it.

    Would be tempting to do in a year with a franchise player in the draft.
     
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    I still haven't heard an idea that I love. Maybe the whole premise is bad.
     
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    I changed my mind on this. I say let them tank.

    It gives fans hope - take that away and they may go away.
     
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    I kinda like the idea of doing someting comparible to "pet shaming".

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    Post photos on NBA.com of players, coaches and front office staff holding similar signs.

    For Example: Have the Sixers GM with a sign that says:
    "I traded Evan Turner, Spencer Hawes and Lavoy Allen for three 2nd round picks."

    :lame:
     
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    Pet shaming that made my day ...
     
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    I'm a huge fan of pet shaming.
    There are a TON of hillarious websites, tumbler pages, etc. dedicated to this artform.

    Google the term "pet shaming" and sit back and enjoy!
     
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    The problem is that creates incentive to build a team which will just miss the playoffs. It also hugely benefits the West. For instance, PHO would have had the top pick in that system.
     
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    And the league would have been better for Phoenix doing that.

    As far as the incentives issue, the problem tanking is the institutional type. If you give the premium picks to the teams that "just miss," it makes it harder for organizations to aim for that spot; players would have to throw games based on where they are on the final game of the season, and players do NOT want to do that because of the playoff bonuses, exposure, etc.
     

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