Discussion in 'Pistons and NBA' started by roscoe36, Jun 24, 2010.
Great analysis there TayShawn! Thanks!
Great work, TaShawn. That's impressive company. GM is the main reason Pistons fans aren't hanging themselves in droves.
Just looked it up and confirmed that Hakeem did it. I didn't check every year, but I'm pretty sure he did it multiple times.
Also I noticed that Barkley did it at least once. He wasn't a center, but leading in these 3 stats is hard no matter what position. Maybe equally hard for SF, PF, and C's and ridiculously hard for guards.
David Robinson did it in 1992 and quite likely in other years.
Kareem Abdul Jabar came within 4 assists of doing it in 1975. Every year after that a different guy had more steals than him to keep him out of the record books. He never got it done as far as I can tell.
Magic Johnson came very close many years. In '84, he had the Rebs and steals, but trailed in points to Kareem. In '87, he had the points and steals, but trailed in rebs to Kareem. In '89, he had the points and steals, but trailed A.C. Green in rebs. And on and on. What a stud though.
I think that the theme here is big men with unusually high levels of coordination (good hands).
I don't think that there is a way to automatically search for this stat since it involves "leading the team in x, y, and z". I just think it is cool when a player on the Pistons can join a statistical group that includes only a handful of legends.
Thanks for the analyses, thought that you're great investor that you spin the numbers really good.
In 1962, Oscar Robertson averaged a triple double (30.8 points, 12.5 rebounds, 11.4 assists). They didn't keep track of stats like steals and blocks back then.
Wilt Chamberlain led the league in points that year, by the way. He averaged 50.4 ppg. He also averaged 25.6 rebounds per game.
I looked these numbers up, by the way. I wasn't born yet, in case you were thinking of any wise cracks.
Not a good investor. I might have a chance as a junk bond salesman though.
The real bias in all my comparison is that Monroe is on a very crappy basketball team... so leading the 2012 Pistons in 3 categories isn't nearly as impressive as leading the showtime Lakers in even 1 category.
Whatever, something to feel good about though. And just because Monroe shouldn't be in the same group as Olajowon, Barkley, and David Robinson, he still is borderline all-star in the East as a big man... and that's a fact.
And nowadays, above average big man is kind of rare species.
A couple more:
Dwight Howard has led his team in Points, Rebounds, Steals the past 2 seasons
Chris Webber did it a couple of times in Washington (discounting Gugliotta's 3.5 steals per game in only 6 games), and in Sacramento once. He would have done it multiple times in Sacto if it wasn't for Doug Christie. Webber was elite steals.
Here is the list of PF/C or C who have averaged at least 16/10/1.5 for a season
Here is the list of all players who have averaged at least 16/10/2.5/1.5/0.5 for a season (Monroe's current averages).
You may notice I put in 1.4st and 9.9r. It was because the database was not picking up Monroe at 1.5 and 10.0 for some reason.
Another under-rated aspect of Monroe's season is his efficiency. His shooting percentages are quite impressive, especially his improvement from the stripe.
All players averaging 16 & 10 with FG% > 52 and FT% > 81 (Monroe's current averages)
Sweet sort. Notice that Monroe is the youngest on that list by 5 years. His FT% increase is great.
Just looked at the all-star reserves. Looks like GM wasn't good enough to go.
Hibbert made it though. From the numbers...that makes no sense to me.
W h a t a m I m i s s i n g?
Could have something to do with the fact that the Pacers are currently the 4th seed in the East and the Pistons are currently the 4th pick in the lottery.
Not really G-Money's fault but...
Hibbert woulda been a nice pick-up..........
Hibbert is pretty good and he's on a winning team.
(stats per 36)
Plyr: Pts/ Reb/ Ast/ Stl/ Blk/ FG%/ WS-48/ D-rating (pts per 100)
RH: 16.3/ 11.8/ 2.1/ 0.5/ 2.2/ .509/ .150/ 96
GM: 17.9/ 10.9/ 2.8/ 1.6/ 0.6/ .523/ .163/ 105
Their stats are close enough that the coaches lean toward the guy who is having success in the W column. The Pistons players benefited from this effect in the past.
Hibbert scores at basically the same rate with similar efficiency. He rebounds a hair better. He doesn't pass as well, but it's still better than average for his position. The steals and the blocks are inverses, but Hibbert's blocks are probably more effective with the deterrent effect. Win shares are similar, with an edge for GM. Defensive rating is heavily in favor of Hibbert, but this stat doesn't fully separate out the rest of the team... they are both among the best on their teams, which is the key with it.
I could see an Indiana poster complaining if Monroe would have been picked and having a good point.
You can field a team of 6 Roy Hibberts for the price of Prince and Stuckey.
There are people here who would still rather have Stuckey and the old stick.........
That team would still have fewer turnovers than the current Pistons.
Feels a lot like a Jamal Magliore selection.
Jamal Magloire would be the 2nd best big man on the Pistons this year?
His career numbers are 7pts, 7 reb and 1blk.
Greg Monroe voted the 7th best player under the age of 25 by ESPN:
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