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  1. BallDon'tLie

    BallDon'tLie All-Star 3x Fantasy Champion

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    All the "showcasing" in the world ain't gonna get him off of that "50 most worthless dudes in the NBA" list.
    Instead of wasting valuable developmental minutes showcasing the BoT, Joe would be better served to invite on of his fellow GMs out to dinner some night and get the dude hammered enough to sign some "transfer" paperwork.
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    I still for the life of me can't figure out why Joe didn't use the amnesty clause. No one is going to take BoT unless you package him with something valuable.
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    As Silvertongue has explained - too small capp spayce for banishing BoT to sauna. Next year, well see...so far...Dumars has to reshuffle his cards again, this team is obivoiusly out from PO race.
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    Laimbrane All-Star Forum Donor

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    I'm curious, Lee... I'm not saying I have an opinion one way or another, but what have you seen to indicate that English and Middleton are good defenders?
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    Almost every scouting report I can see pre-draft bills both these guys as average defenders at best with below average athleticism... except that English did have the 4th best agility at the combine.

    To me, English looks hyper on defense (in a good way). We just need to see these guy for a prolonged period in real situations to really make a judgment though. English is a little small... however, I could imagine him bugging a guy like Singler quit a bit by never leaving him open. English did guard power forwards in college, so it's tough to evaluate him based on his actual track record.
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    I liked Kenny's D in Summer league and preseason.
    Hopefully we'll get more of a look at him once Frank finishes evaluating what this Stuckey kid can do.
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    I have no problem with using Stuckey as a battering ram to create room for Monroe to operate.
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    I think it's pretty simple, really. Argument follows:

    Defense wins games.
    Coach has an agenda that does not include winning games.
    Coach doesn't play Middleton or English.
    English and Middleton must be good at defense.
  9. TaS

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    Here is a logical mini proof for why defense trumps offense.

    Taken to the extremes-

    - DEFENSE: all of your opponents would be guaranteed to score 0 points
    - OFFENSE: you would be guaranteed to score infinite points

    Any rational person would choose DEFENSE and the 0 point guaranty since infinite points would never conclude and would never even result in 1 win.

    If you want the first option, you need to play English and Middleton and play them at their correct positions.
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    also... Joe has to stop referring to him as BoT when talking to the other GMs
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    Except, there is a hard limit on defense, that being zero and defense yields diminishing returns the closer we get to 0.

    Offense on the other hand doesn't really have an upper bound.
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    That could have been a diary entry by Joe Dumars in 2009!
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    Next time you get the chance, record a bit of either English or Middleton playing. Now do frame by frame study of how they move. Do same on a guy like Singler. Then tell me the difference. There is a lot. Studying tape is my hobby.
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    I like your suggestion, but it may be a while before we can see some of this film, especially for Middleton, who has played a grand total of 12 minutes in 20 games (been in 3 games for 1, 2, and 9 minutes).
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    If you watch it frame by frame, 12 minutes can feel like an eternity.
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    Very true. Unfortunately, I didn't DVR the November 10 blowout loss to the Rockets in which Middleton played 9 minutes in garbage time.
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    Laimbrane All-Star Forum Donor

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    You are being sarcastic, I'm sure, but are probably much more accurately identifying Lee's thinking than Lee is.
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    Half of the Pistons games already feel like a painful eternity - an eternity where Tayshaun Prince is standing by himself, dribbling in slow motion.

    Bounce...

    Bounce...

    Bounce...

    Then, like one of those terrible nightmares where you are in a fight but moving really slow, he turns and backs himself into the lane...

    Bounce...

    Bump...

    Bounce...

    Pivot...

    Bounce...

    Pivot...

    And he turns around and shoots a hook, which sometimes makes. But when he misses, it's all

    Turn...

    Raise arms incredulously...

    Open-mouthed shock...

    Watch other team score...

    I don't know if I really want to extend any of that experience to frame-by-frame.
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    That's the point - I was kind of asking for examples from you, seeing as how I lack a frame-by-frame tape player.
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    I disagree with this... nobody expects a bucket of turd to cost $8,000,000 a year, so he might be able to slip that one by them.

    You know... "Okay, we'll trade Prince for Ronny Turiaf and Lamar Odom, but you have to take a bucket of turd, too." and they're like "sure, whatever," thinking that it's just the remnants of Joe's last home game buffet, but then all of the sudden they have to deal with a 6'10" guy that makes Bill Laimbeer look like a speeding bullet - one that shrewdly reallocates all of the haircut portion of his $8 million salary to camera phones and spa visits.

    Joke's on them.
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