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    vs Golden State Warriors

    Wednesday Dec 5 2012 - 7:30 PM EST


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    GO PISTONS!
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    Down to the wire. Pistons win by 1-3 points.
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    If you didn't do it, I would've.
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    Hey, where's the pregame hype !
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    GSate is a 10-7 team .588 4-4 on the road. Pistons are 5-3 at home.
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    This Harrison Barnes rookie fella is fading. Let's keep it so.
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    Ugly performance by Max, Singler, and BK tonight - a combined 3 for 20. That's a recipe for losing if I've ever seen one.

    The bench almost played them back into the game, and outscored the starters 53-44.

    Pressed into heavy minutes because of foul trouble from Monroe/Maxiell, Drummond was awesome with 15 points on a very efficient 6-8 shooting, 12 boards (4 offensive), and 2 blocks. He was only 3-7 at the line, but that was a small flaw compared to everything else he brought (+17). He brought energy and fire that the Pistons sorely needed, and I would LOVE to see him play like that every game. I know we all keep saying it, but when he figures out what an absolute freak he is, he's going to dominate this league.

    Tay quietly had an outstanding game with 24 points on 10-18 shooting and 5 boards. He was actually a bit of a go-to guy tonight, leading the team in scoring and playing way better than the other starters (and he was responsible for over half their points). He still slows the whole thing down to a methodical pace, but that's kind of what the team needed tonight.

    Stuckey was his typical super-collider self, but managed to dole out 9 assists to go with his 17 points. Somehow, though, that didn't feel good enough. He still attacked the lane way too much and clogged up the offense - at the end of the game you could see that the Pistons moved the ball around the perimeter really well and that opened things up for them, but there was Rodney standing at the top of the key, trying to bash his way into the lane.

    I liked the lineup the Pistons had with Knight, Singler, Tay, CV, and Drummond - over the 3 and a half minute stretch they were on the court together from 5:35 to 2:04 they cut the lead from 17 to 8. It's not a sustainable lineup because of its clear defensive weaknesses, but if BK is firing, that gives them four solid three-point shooters and a guy that can clean up the glass. I think that, if the Pistons find themselves in a big hole again, you'll see him go to that to try and bring the game back within reason, especially against a team like Golden State that is a little smaller overall.
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    Another third quarter collapse, this time on the defensive end as those sons of $%$ former NBA stars Curry and Thompson lit it up from beyond the arc and in front of it leading the Warriors to a 39 point quarter outscoring the Pistons by 16.

    The Pistons courtesy of Drummond, Stuckey and BoT lead a furious Piston comeback in crunch time, but weren't able to hit the key three ball in the last minute or to convert a rebound into a bucket and eventually failed to Warriors after trimming an 18 point 3rd quarter lead down to 3 (98-95) on back to back threes by Tay and CV with just over a minute to go in the game. Knight who was 1-10 from the field and 1-7 from beyond the arc missed 3 three ball attempts in the last 30 seconds and had one partially blocked and then Stucco tried one with less than 10 seconds and his was blocked too. In fact both three ball attempts were blocked by former MSU spartan Draymond Green.

    Both teams started out struggling from the field and the Warriors held a 40-38 lead at the half. Not sure what larry and coaches talk about at halftime, but third straight game the Pistons come out in the third and lay an egg. So it appears that they need a big halftime lead to secure a victory. The Warrior guards of Curry and Thompson out played and out shot and out scored our starting guards 49-7...and were 9-14 from beyond the arc compared to 2-9 for BK and Singler.

    Our bench outscored their 53-20, with most of those points coming in the Pistons 36 pt 4th quarter, but they just could not climb all the way back up the hill and get over the hump.

    Three stars of the game were Curry, Thompson and DreBaby who had probably his best performance of his pro career and best stat wise too, with 15 pts, 12 boards, and two blocks. His body language there tonight and the Pistons would not have gotten back into it if Lfranco had pulled him. Have to wwonder what would have happen if Lfranco had put moose in there and maybe pulled Maggette earlier and then left the two towers in there until the end?

    Tay led the team in scoring tonight and probably gave his best scoring performance (24 pts, 5 assists) since I signed him to my fantasy team 10 days ago.

    Singler had his worst scoring performance in the past six games....he played 32 mins, but have to wonder about that eye that was poked the other night by sideshow bob?
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    Good recaps guys. I can't say a lot of positive stuff right now; pretty much everyone was horrible save for Dre and Tay, Stuck colliding sucked but he actually played far better than either starting guard, which unfortunately is a recipe for even more colliding.

    Maggette should go. Really. His stupid foul rate has to be up there with Daye's, and he doesn't have the youth excuse.

    BoT was actually decent (unless you count the defense which was horrible), Monroe and Max were unfortunately just as bad.

    Knight and Singler were bad; in both cases the shooting woes may be due to injury, though Brandon's bad decisions at the end of the game were not. He looked like he was pressing.

    Edit: To reiterate Panda's point below, Andre was a huge steal. He came in, and both times he was primarily responsible for getting them back from the brink. Thanks, Toronto.

    P.S. Why do I keep posting in the wrong thread lately?
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    Only got two things to say about this.

    1 - Andre Drummond is absolutely legit. You don't ever get these performances from Kwame Brown. He will be a game changer by the end of the year, and I wouldn't be surprised if after another year or two, he is looking at all star capabilities. He is so efficient and so willing to make a difference whether it is just hustling the boards, or playing flat out D. I love this guy and I hope, whatever happens, that he has a great career. He is proving all of the doubters wrong at this point.
    2 - Prince had a great game. This is what we were all hoping for, this game. I can't comment much on his defense, but 24 points and 5 assists is a awesome contribution for someone who many consider to be out of his depth as a bench warmer.

    The loss doesn't really concern me, because big Dre is showing us what he is going to bring to Pistonland. I am excited!
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    I said the first week this is now Monroe and Knight's team--if they are good enough, the Pistons will start to win. So far, they haven't been good enough. And, I was wrong. It is now the Monroe and Drummond's team and may soon be Drummond's team. I have been watching and am just amazed at Drummond's impact on the game. If this is real, it is going to be fun eventually.

    You can't win with any consistency, especially against decent teams, with the current Piston guards. Knight is just not ready to get the major minutes he is getting. I do hope he eventually works out..But the management should bring in a journeyman on the cheap to steady the team if the goal is to win games this year. The Pistons will undoubtedly draft a guard and or a scorer and pick up the same on the free agent market.

    The vision for this team is Drummond at center and Monroe at power forward (provided he becomes the scorer that he has shown he might be and provided he stops sulking and playing with abandon like Drummond does.) The pieces that are assembled around this team should fit in with the big two--starting this year--management needs to start re-assembling the roster.
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    Drum really covers for Villanueva enough that the BOT potentially is a + player out there. Charlie passed up some 3's and went venturing in for easier buckets with some great touch. But this game was all Drummond IMO. For the most part, the spigot was turned off when he was in the game and every rebound was terrifying for GS on our end of the court as boxing out wasn't enough. Dre and Moose is going to be such a great combo that we're going to be a top 5 defensive team from next season on no matter how many mannequins we put on the court with them.

    It's pretty obvious at this point who the best 2 players on the Pistons are. Fittingly, they are the big men that Joe drafted in the top 10 picks after seasons with horrible records. We just built our foundation through the draft. We now have the hardest pieces to get and we have them for cheap for a little while. It will probably take one more top 12 pick to add to this mix and then the rest will have to be done through FA and trade magic.

    I don't really care about this L because we went down fighting to a team that was on fire from the perimeter. GS hardly had any dunks or uncontested fast breaks that I can remember. Almost all of their interior scoring was heavily challenged- David Lee found a way to finish several times when he was fully guarded. But they have really good shooters on the outside and they weren't hesitating. It wasn't that our guys were slacking off them... we just couldn't hang with them due to picks, motion, and chaos off of offensive rebounds or abandoned fast breaks.

    It was one of Stuckey's best games of the year, even though it was admittedly not a thing of beauty. Prince had his A game, which kept us close.

    If only Knight wouldn't have been such a klutz at the end, we may have actually closed the gap. Bad misses and some really boneheaded pass attempts.

    Monroe struggled mightily too. Foul trouble was one thing, but then he was weak on defense and also clumsy with the ball.


    If Bogut fully recovers, GSW won't be too bad. They are greatly improved on defense already from prior years.
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    C'mon, give the dude a break !!!
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    Although it was a loss, the game was very entertaining. That was the most we have seen Drummond play, and he did extremely well. 2 blocks hardly begins to describe just how often he got in the head of the opponents to make them miss shots. Just him being there is something the other team frets so much about they can't otherwise shoot straight anywhere near the big guy.

    GS whooped us on the perimeter. That was a coaches choice. We have very good defenders who could have been playing tonight, like English and Middleton, who could have been brought in to make a difference.

    Some of our defense was actually pretty good there in the first half though. Not with our starters in though. Our starters got off to horrid starts both to start the game and to begin the 2nd quarter. In both cases, adjustments were made. Maybe too late? But hey, this is the first time our starters failed us that badly. You can't go completely away from something too fast. Although I would. JMAX and Monroe can't cover the defensive glass, nor provide good enough interior D. This makes us pack it in, and lets the other team operate too much on the perimeter. Yes, we played a lot of good D on the perimeter in the first half (again, when the starters were not in),but you run out of magic eventually. That good D should have stretched over the whole game.

    Drummond was fantastic, and those free throws almost fell at 50% - if only one of those misses - many of which just missed, had gone in. Absolutely an improvement at the line for him the last couple of games on consistency of his shot.

    If you ask who looked like the rookie tonight. Monroe on some costly turns.

    CV played a lot of good offense tonight, kind of what we saw from his Milwaukee days, scoring around the basket with a wide assortment of moves. Even hit a triple late in the game that gave us every chance to win this one. I just looked at the boxscore and indeed CV was way positive. )About 15, right - to Drummonds 17 in that department.) Still, on the defensive end, CV gives up a whole lot of points.

    Maggette also scored enough for his minutes. But gave up points readily at the other end. We can get a lot better defensive play from the roster Joe has provided for Frank. Could CV continue to be a part of things - like an offensive specialist. Hey, play him at small forward for that. His lack of speed could be dealt with by just asking him to zone it up near the basket, something he is not that good at either - but at least we could keep two real bigs in the game while he was providing some offense. Just an idea. Really would like to see Kravtsov play to see if we have anything to work with. They say there is. I sure would like to see for myself.

    Knight could have been substituted for. Singler could have been brought in to take some of those 3's. Singler had made one earlier. Not much scoring from Singler, but they were not really running plays for him as part of the starting unit - and he passed the ball even if open a few times. Don't know what is up with that. If Singler is being played off of, he should shoot. But note, some of that not shooting of his was during our run to almost tie the game back up. Anyway, I would be a lot more comfortable asking Singler to take a crunch time shot vs. Knight from 3 land. Also, if English were part of the rotation, he could have taken that shot.

    Drummond had a 15 -12 night, at least matching his 13 - 13 double double from earlier in the season. Solid on the defensive glass, and almost as active as Rodman on the offensive glass. Big difference between Rodman and Drummond though - Drummond will make the score off the offensive board - whereas Rodman so often pulled the ball back out. (and Drummond is learning that sometimes if the putback is not there is has to pull it back out.)

    Monroe connected to Drummond for one dunk, and Stuckey driving in connected with him for another. Mostly it was scoring off offensive rebounds.

    And 3 made free throws from getting fouled twice intentionally just to put him at the line. One trip to the line was after getting fouled on a make. Maybe there was a 3rd intentional foul where he missed both. Drummond showed some skill on a couple of occasions beyond just dunking the ball. After, I think Stuckey, got blocked, Drummond pulled the ball out of the air near the free throw line and dribbled it in for a score. (and a missed foul shot. This was in crunch time. Helped us almost get this one tied back up.) The other time was a short shot showing a lot of touch after another one of his offensive bounds.

    Even though our starters mucked it up in the opening minutes of this one, we ended the 1st quarter just down 1. A lot of that comeback was with Knight and Stuckey in the backcourt. And Monroe and Drummond paired as the bigs. Tay provided some offense for that unit. They were packing it something fierce on us though and it was not pretty at all on our offense. However, defensively this unit rocked compared to what we started the game with.
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    I only caught the 2nd half of this one, but I loved catching Drummond's celebratory dances deep in the background during replays of big 3 pt shots.

    How many guys on the Pistons are better than Drummond is right now, nevermind if he ever gets "it" in the future?

    What could the Pistons get in a transfer of Greg Monroe? He would almost have to be moved with Stuckey or Charles V if they got a veteran back in the transfer. Monroe's transfer value will probably never be higher and there are probably better fits out there for Drummond.
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    The pattern so far is that Dre is anchoring our defense without much help and he's not fouling. Pair him with a talented big man scorer with some range out of the paint.

    How about

    Aldridge? $13.0, $14.1, and $15.2
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    Ronnie Price: $1.1

    FOR

    Monroe: $3.2, $4.1, and $5.5
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    Villanueva: $8.1, $8.6
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    Daye $3.0, $4.1


    The Blazers have the worst bench in the league, so they'd be getting a decent replacement starter for Aldridge in a younger Monroe + 2 bigger players who can score off their bench and stretch the D with their shooting. I just tossed in Ronnie Price to balance out the salaries and the player imbalance and b/c he's expiring.


    Knight/ Stuckey/ Price
    Singler/ English/ Bynum
    Prince/ Middleton
    Aldridge/ Maxiell/ Jerebko
    Drummond/ Kravtsov


    It's kind of a wash since we'd be locking into a market type contract on Aldridge, but we'd be getting out almost 2 years early on Charlie. Aldridge is 27 right now and still seems to be on the rise or close to his peak. He should stay there throughout his contract barring injury.


    Besides him, I can't really think of anyone else that fits with us and that is feasible to trade for. Teams that are winning at a high rate probably won't want to mess with it.

    I'm pretty happy holding pat and seeing them try to mesh for a while before concluding that they aren't good for each other. Monroe's passing is the secret weapon and it might end up being the perfect way to get Dre the ball without guards having to penetrate. Monroe can do damage if he's not doubled. We also haven't seen any plays run for Dre yet, which is kind of pitiful. Ben Wallace even has some alley oop plays designed for him.
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    Aside from a few frustrating moments from guys that just didn't have it tonight (Singleton, Brevin), I enjoyed this loss more than the vast majority of Piston victories over the last 4 years.

    If BK and Singler bring their normal sauce to the table, we win this one in convincing fashion.
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    Part of getting Singler open is to concentrate on getting the ball inside. Our bigs are good enough that they get a lot of garbage points, but those don't really open it up on the perimeter. Our bigs have limited post skills, so we have to find more creative ways than dumping it in to them... which never happens. Notice how often Dre gets into position in the post and the perimeter player passes him up (which they should do). However, the whole charade is a waste of energy. P&R with the guy like Bynum was doing, then kick out to Singler on occasion.

    Kyle has the lowest usage on the team right now while Monroe has the highest. That shouldn't be the case.
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    This was a good learning experience for Drummond to be there at the end of a close game. He played great, and as far as letting youngsters learn, mission accomplished.

    I'm pretty sure we're showcasing CV.

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