you are right this is all speculation. yes we won't be able to fill the void left by ben through free agency. most likely if joe feels he can't sign ben he'll trade him. but i really don't think we need to bring in a center through free agency. we have plenty of players capable of playing that spot better than anything we could get in free agency. dice isn't young. but dice is under contract for a fair amount of money. offense isn't easy to learn. ben has worked on it i'll give him that but that doesn't mean it's been successful. ben will never be the offensive player mcdyess was or is. those centers getting paid like that are just dumb gms. there is a premium on height and gms will pay for it. most of those guys got big pay days just because of height alone. the pistons don't overpay anybody. it won't happen. i agree somewhat. i wouldn't call him an offensive force. but he does provide things on the offensive end. but his man singlehandedly stopped tays post up in the miami and the san antonio series. bens man would double and tay had no offensive option to pass it to make them pay. it does make a difference. i would say chauncey is the driver. but rip is the engine. as rip goes the offense goes. i say rip is the engine because we are going to rip everytime. now someone else might get open because of the way the other team reacts to rip. but in general rip is the most likely piston to put up the shot. i would give the biggest deal to tay. cause he's the youngest and hasn't scratched the surface of his potential. can you give me an example of a cheap sg out there that's equivalent to rip?? besides wade and lebron?