Do you see what I see?

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  1. himat

    himat Bench Warmer

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    Even though we have had the best starting 5 for the past couple of seasons, during our championship year our bench bailed them out in many games. This did not happen last year with LB only using a 7 man rotation, but now that we've seen our bench do a lot better with flip here...
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    I see what you see, but it's the preseason. So my eyes tell me, wait a couple of months before drawing any conclusions.
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    What I see is Dale Davis is no deterant for Shaq.
    That's what Joe wanted to see out of this game.
    EC phone home.

    I hope that Flip starts using his roster the way he plans to use them in the regular season... they need consistent reps together.

    Himat, preseason or not... it is encouraging to see some "unknown factors" stepping up... the bench and Sheed have been the pleasant surprises of the preseason so far.

    I'm thinking about changing my sig to say:
    "He's located his mom's hooters"
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    dale davis doesn't do a better job on shaq than anybody on the pistons. but from what i saw from the heat shaq dominating us won't kill us in a 7 game series. shaq had a dominant game he usually doesn't even play us that well with just ben, sheed alone. the person that played shaq the best was actually darko for the few times he was on him.

    i think flip is using the rotations he will be using during the season. i think the second 5 man unit concept is back in effect. from what i've seen the second unit has a chemistry all it's own and plays better by themselves without the starters mixed in. but this is only preseason and maybe the starters were dogging it when they mixed in with our bench players.
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    I hope not. They gotta get the offense in place. Guys are just playing on talent right now. At times, it looks disorganized out there. At least to me it does.
  6. himat

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    Dale will give us 6 more fouls though.
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    bball jay Bench Warmer Forum Donor

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    yes. i agree there at lots of times when it disorganized. i think the rotations will be basically the same as the miami game. except the starting unit will log much more time on the court together. dice will get some minutes with the starting unit and then also anchor the second unit. we just need more time together. this will come during the regular season when the starters are playing many more minutes together.
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    Best Starting 5

    To say we have the best starting 5 implies that our starting 5 can beat any other team during stretches where those 5 are out there.

    Can the Pistons beat all other teams with those starting 5 in crunch time?

    Yes we do need a bench.

    On Shaq. Dale Davis really was not brought in as a Shaq stopper. Just a decent PF who could provide some depth. Darko can guard him effectivly if he gets more respect from the officials. Last night Shaq fouled him once and Darko got the call.
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    I still don't think we have seen our bench

    Still don't see Evans as being a great big part of our bench. Instead, I still see him as a defensive specialist. Dupree? Can't even see him playing any. And besides, lets assume Mercury is right (see question on playoff roster size thread) and we only get 13 guys for our playoff roster. Dupree would still not make that cut. So why not let him go and find somewhere that he can play?

    Instead of Evans being a big part of things, I am betting Maxiell is the 5th sub on our 2nd unit. This will seriously increase the interior defense and rebounding, while also increasing our offense. If on occasion we truly find a situation where Maxiell can't do the job on defense, then we bring in Evans. Ditto for if Arroyo or Delfino can't handle their guy.
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    Superstarov First Round Draft Pick

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    EC DON'T PHONE HOME, PLEASE.
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    Couple of points

    My observations so far this pre-season:
    + The second unit has a defiinite personality and can be a very good unit;
    + The starters have been rooting pretty well for the bench so far;
    + Darko and Delfino are coming along pretty well in several respects while Evans, Arroyo, Dyce are doing well, too;
    + The starters have been playing very well.

    I am hoping that all this means that:
    + The starters will continue to root for the bench although it could mean some reduced minutes for some of them;
    + Darko and Delfino continue to improve, along with Evans, Arroyo and Dyce and the second unit becomes like it was two seasons ago;
    + the starters go into this year's playoffs rested and confident in the bench.

    The other thing I hope you guys saw was that Darko played well against Shaq and Zo. I don't think either scored much off him and he posterized Zo on the jam what was disallowed on the trumped up charge by Delfino. The other one was at about 6 1/2 minutes left in the first half when DMC was battling very hard with Shaq, keeping him from getting in deep, and still reached around him and batted the ball out to Delfino for a run out. Then Shaq came back and tried to steamroll DMC and DMC came back and hit him hard, too, although of course, DMC got a foul for his trouble. At any rate, he is not backing down from Shaq and he still has a whole season to get better against an aging Shaq.

    And I am not the only one who thought Darko did well against Miami.
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    I'll take your word for it because I didn't see the game.Pre-season or not Shaq still dominated at least the stat line says he did.I don't care who it is only Shaq stops Shaq for the most part let him get his shut everyone else down.

    What was up with Wade?Sounded like a no show.Anyway I think the bench is coming along just fine and the starters should be happy cuz with this team I don't think they really care about minutes.
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    We should not ignore EC's contributions on Shaq... he was "shut down" by EC.
    If you neutralize S.O. the rest of that team doesn't come close to the Pistons talent.... this may no longer be an option... but I don't believe D. Davis will be any factor...
    Counting on Darko to slow him down could prove to be risky.

    It may not be wise to overlook the Heat based on one preseason home game.
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    Agreed. The Heat looked bad and were in the game for the most part. They can only get better...
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    Winless Wonders Starter Forum Donor

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    What I see

    I see a lot of jumpshots being taken. I also see guy's settling for a lot of poor shots. I hope this does not continue.


    It was nice to see the Pistons clamp down on the Heat. I found it interesting that after the game they interviewed RIP and he was saying how Flip wants them to go into a zone defense on every posession but they sort of like forgot and were still playing man. Rip also commented that he likes their shut down man defense better. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. I hope Flip doesn't try to force the zone down our throats.:doh:
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    I'll tell you what happened

    Rip happened to Wade thats what. He couldn't out quick him or out speed him to the bucket because guess who was faster rip. I hope he does well gaurding him all the time.
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    What I see..

    Don't think this has been mentioned yet.
    I see a different "Subway" - Sub of the Game after each game. Last season it was basically just "Cue picture of Dyess" Dude's stat line may have been 4 pts 3 rebs and BAM!!! Subway Sub of the game, throw in Lindsey or an Arroyo here or there and that was it. This season it could very well be any one of those 5 guys that hit the court. Sometimes it'll be Mo, other nights Delfino etc. This pre-season every sub has come up with a very good night stat wise except for Dyess (and c'mon are we really worried about that, Dyess has shown and proven enough when it counts). The things I really want to see from this bench...

    PG-Arroyo, good decisions and start the offense quickly, hit open J's.
    SG-Evans, Hit the open shot, D-up their best perimeter player.
    SF-Delfino, Hit the J consistently.
    PF-Dyess, Do what you do man.
    C-Darko, Rebound like your life depends on it.

    Truthfully there aren't many teams whose 2nd units we can't dominate. I don't know any 2nd unit C/PF that Dyess and Darko can't take it to. And as I always say, you win the frontcourt battles you can win it all baby.

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