Detroit At NewJersey - Nov 30 2005 7:30PM

Discussion in 'November 2005 Games' started by max, Nov 30, 2005.

  1. roscoe36

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    Thanks for the heads up Zo. I missed a little of the first setting up my new tv/monitor and these NJ announcers dont give the same kinda reports George does.
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    We're extremely reliant on Ben on the glass. When he doesn't or can't rebound, it shows.

    Hell of a game by Rip. Hell of a game. Nice work by Tay as well.
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    i agree darko may need to go back to the streaks. but tonight i'll agree the bench did not play well except carlos arroyo.
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    Flip be talkin Big Shazza!Dont He?

    He wants to win in a big way, true, But i can count the games we wont see the bench- Nets, Bulls, Heat, Cavs, Pacers and all western conferrence road games. But I aint mad at 11 and 2! Rip/Bill needs 2 start In AllStar game down heya in H-town..my bruddahs!:amen:
  5. TBird

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    Cb

    He has officially surpassed J-Kidd.

    Our starters basically outscored theirs by 22. Subtract the bench and it's a blowout.

    I hope our guys really lay one on NY so our starters can get some rest. No Wiz repeats.
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    Lots of questions. Ben doesn't look pumped like usual...maybe he is hurting? CB calling most of the plays now? Maybe there are none for Ben under Flip? Maybe Ben misses LB cause his system emphasized the D (Ben's specialty) and LB wanted him to develop his O? Does Ben no longer feel like a contributor?

    With Ben being FA this coming summer, JD should do his best to make sure he's happy here, even if it means leaning on Flip.
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    Jkidd was on TBN today!

    He need all the prayer he can get...No one plays him better than The Bill!My Bruddah!
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    44 minutes for the Prince tonight

    I think he had something to prove against Jefferson and Flip let him fight. I like that a lot...Cant wait til Friday night...(i plan on being just a little drunk that night)...my bruddahs!
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    game report

    Still great to beat Kidd and Jefferson. 11-2. Only 2nd to the Bad Boys November of 90-91 of 13-2.

    We came out real sharp, doubling them up 24-12. First two guys off the bench were Arroyo and Dyess. Then Darko. Then Evans. I won't say Evans was the whole problem with the bench in that 2nd half. The fact that Dyess was passing up shots he normally takes, and missing the ones he normally makes, was also a factor. But Evans gave us nothing. Wasted time with the ball. Can't move without the ball. And can't guard anyone as tall as him with a strong game. They did have him on McInnis for a moment. He can do that fine. But putting him on Carter simply broke Carter loose. For those who might disagree with these somewhat harsh observations on Evans, note the coach only played him 2 minutes in the 2nd half. Further, Flip briefly did just what I mentioned a couple days back. He played Billups and Arroyo together in the backcourt. And that combo did good. I don't know why Flip went away from it and got Evans back in the game. I guess maybe he is giving Evans every chance he can. Hurry, get that out of the way. Give Delfino a good long turn now. (Or go to a three guard rotation.)

    Ok, we did not pound them inside. As they are basically a very weak defensive team inside, they decided to really pack it in tight. So we shot what they gave us, easy, uncontested jumpers. And we were making them.

    Speaking of jumpers. Rip hit a couple more threes. Up just at about 50% exactly on his 3 point shooting. I would say he has arrived as a three point shooter. I doubt the league will miss the fact much longer.

    Rip was hitting everything he put up, plus Tay had it going big time. Tay scored driving, on spotups, and on a pull up on a fast break. Got the whole package going. And he hit one shaking off his guy. And Sheed nailed a few threes. And Billups was nailing his shots. And when they tried to guard the perimeter on occasion, Billups took it right in there for the score.

    Ben tweaked an ankle, stepping on a foot as he drove in. Seems to be bothered by it. Lets see how he feels tomorro.

    Arroyo hit an outside shot, though it barely rattled in. He also drove in and flipped one in. And he set up Dyess well a time or two, one of which Dyess nailed. Darko did not do a whole lot. A couple of rebounds. They did not go to him offensively, though he made one brief attempt at posting up. About what, 6 more mintues of experience. It all adds up.

    Play of the game had to be Billups getting fouled and still making his triple, and then completing a rare 4 point play. The best trend of the game, a tie. Prince's continued interest in offense. And Rip's emergence as a three point shooter. As for bad trends, well the bench problem is easily solved. Quit playing Evans except as a defensive specialist. And only if that targeted player is getting hot out there and burning us. We have got to get a different player in the regular rotation backing up Tay or he is going to die from fatigue in that brutal 8 game stretch starting December 9.

    11-2. Great start. But now, there are just 69 games remaining to this regular season. Time is not unlimited. Go to work coach. GO PISTONS!!!!!
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    Great Game

    So why do I feel like we didn't accomplish much? Ok, call me a pessimist, but I'm bothered by a couple of things.

    1. We're evolving into a perimeter team, and we all know that those shots will either not be there, or will not fall, in direct proportion to how badly you need the shot. In short, I don't trust the perimeter game as our bread and butter.

    2. I didn't like RIP's number being called for the dagger 3. When we've got thm on the ropes, and all we need to do is close the deal, 3's are risky, and could swing emotion.

    3. The bench is in trouble. CA can't lead this rag tag group, Flip needs to really look hard at the roles, and who can fill them. Either that, or give the rookies a chance to step up and produce.

    The good news is that the starting 5 is producing like the champions they are, and I'm just not worried about Dice right now. However, without any inside game, we're looking at regular season wonders, and playoff failures.
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    We were posting Sheed

    And he was scoring from there. In this game, NJ simply chose to give us the outside shots. So we took what was there, and won the game. Knowing Larry Brown, he would have lost this one, insisting we go inside despite other team playing for this totally. Why? Larry would figure the practice going inside was more important than a win tonight. And perhaps be right. Or perhaps not.
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    Good win but

    We still have issues here despite the best record in the league. Once again we are falling into the same situation as we did last year. 38+ minutes per game for all the starters, because the bench has not been able to produce and contribute yet.:doh:

    We are curently 23rd in the league in rebounding and tonight were once again killed on the offensive boards 16 to 6. :mad: uch!! Tonight the 3's were fallin for us, but what happen to our inside game? Did you see the points in the paint? The Nets had 48 to our 22:frusty:

    Flip has to give the bench more minutes and that includes Delfino and JMax or they won't be ready at all when we get into those heated battles with the Spurs, Pacers, Cavs, Heat and ....Clippers:eyebrows:
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    Ben's Injury

    I wonder if he'll be able to go Friday, and if it would be so bad if he can't.

    I don't know if anyone remembers, but last year Dyess got off to a rough start and then came out of it when he got a few starts. Somehow he seemed to find his comfort level, which he maintained even when he moved back to the bench.

    Maybe something like that could repeat itself and could be better for us in the long run.
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    Indy's getting clobbered

    80-50 by Phoenix. I don't know how that team can be so good one day and so bad the next.
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    I agree with whoever it was that said that CB has surpassed JKidd; although JKidd still has his nights -- his amazing 35-8-12 the other night against the Lake Show at Staples -- he no longer seems able to bring it every game. I think CB is the best point guard in the league right now.

    Rip had a great night, as pointed out by several of you. He took a pair of threes and made both. He scored 30 on only 14 shots! A model of efficiency, especially when compared to Kobe's fiasco last night (he needed 33 shots to score all of 25 points).

    Our starting five really is fantastic isn't it? I hope we don't wear them out....
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    Good Win but

    I will get my great win out of the way. Actually Nets are a dangerous team and the Pistons did not let them get out and run. Limited the TO's.

    Going along with LASAm/DRE. Lots of positive things happening this season. Lot of new surprises with the offense.

    But you should not have to give anything up that you had before. The one-one D is getting back to normal but what about rebounding? Its starting to become a serious issue and its going to bite us against some of the better teams. Nets took 16 more shots to only 3 extra free-throws for us. Pounded on the offensive glass 16-6. That has to stop.

    I know Ben was hurt but he still had 8 boards. Even at 100% strength the Wallace's are going to provide roughly 40%-50% of the total rebounding for any game. One thing I miss about LB is how he used to challenge everyone to pound the glass. We had these same problems the last 2 seasons with everyone expecting Ben to do it all until LB challenged the whole team to chip in and do their part.

    Flip has to demand the same because thats what really got us over the hump. Seem to be falling back into the Carlisle era of everyone standing around expecting Ben to do it all. Have to make sure we keep the Team Rebounding ingredient that LB added to this team.

    One the bench - that will work itself out. If they do not step up then expect some trades. There has to be some reason why certain players are not playing.
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    Congratulations, but shouldn't your user name be... Bruddah HQ?:rockon:
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    Max, if someone other than Ben challenged the boards more often, we would be going to the FT line more often. How many times in tight games that a foul is called going after loose balls and Ben "I hope I make this one" Wallace walks sheepishly to the FT line much to our chagrin.

    The pistons are 8th in the league in FT shooting % despite Ben's woes. :doh: But the key stat here is FT attempts. They are 27th in the league in FT attempts. This may not worry some, but that means that we are not utilizing our inside game enough with Ben, Tay and Sheed and we are relying on the outside jumper to win games.

    In the two games we lost, the Wizards made more FT's (38) than we attempted (34) . Same thing in the blow out loss to the Mavs, they made 27 FT's and we only attempted 19. We have to get the inside game going by attacking the rim, getting the foul and putting the opposing teams key or big men on the bench. We lost the Championship last season, because our key guys were on the bench and our scrubs could not win it for us....:mad:
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    LOL that's funny cause it's true. :)

    the foot that been tweaked was the opposite one he did last time, so he gets a free pass for tonight. i didn't like arroyo's game as much in the 1st half, he dribbled in and took some ill-advised running jump shots without even passing, but he did okay overall.

    evans was just non-existant and carter exposed him - while rip played good D on carter, and tay surprisingly played jefferson very very well - jefferson used to physically abuse tay in the past. attribute a part of that to tay being a lot more aggressive on offense. darko didn't look great, didn't look terrible...just held down the fort.

    i'm not concerned about the outside shooting. NJ knew they were outmatched in the post so they stacked it and hoped their strength - the 3 guys on the perimeter - could do a decent enough defensive job to win them the game. it's the gameplan i'd use. but hey we hit the open shots, and if they're giving it to us, do it until it stops working (which it never stopped!!).

    oh and krstic is terrible, yer right micro on the blown calls. krstic seriously travels EVERY time he tries to post up, while throwing countless elbows and fouling offensively. he's awful.

    i would've loved to see delfino and jmax in the game - at this point i think their energy could spark that 2nd unit. they haven't been playing that great overall, but they haven't been terrible (just inconsistent), so i'm willing to pass it off as one of their worse games and be concerned but not panicking yet.
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    Good point.

    Fortunately, Ben's FT% is up and IMO he looks far more comfortable at the line this year. Given that...I'd like to see Ben more aggressive around the hoop. He's become the offensive non-issue that he used to be a few years ago.

    We DON'T take the ball inside enough and we definitely don't drive the hoop enough...and we don't have a willing slasher, short of Delfino (excuse me...I'm slapping myself cuz I never thought I'd admit he had ambition beyond thumbing his Playstation :redface: ).

    So far this year we've been lucky. We have good outside shooters in CB, Tay, Sheed...and SURPRISE!...Rip's hittin the 3's! Ben's been relugated to picking over the trash in his usual spot. The Piston game has become outside-in instead of inside-out...IMO that ain't gonna work in the playoff run.

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