Detroit April 24 7pm Round 1 Game 3

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  1. explosivity

    explosivity First Round Draft Pick

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    Our D was very good for the most point we just could not execute offensively down the stretch. That has been one of our major problems this whole year.
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  3. Lee356

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    Thats it. We are down 0-3, and nobody has ever come back from being down 0-3 in any NBA seven game series. I won't be writing up the next one, as I will be out of town, out of touch.

    The best part of the game - Stuckey doing a good job guarding James, and Dyess doing a pretty good job of backing Stuckey up as the 2nd line of defense. Great defensive 3rd quarter - where the Cavs only had one bucket made near the end of it.

    The bad: First Ilgauskas. Then Joe Smith, who had a career game. Continually our big guys could not get out to them, and they canned shot after shot. And Amir, the guy who could have gotten out to them - did not play, coach's decision. Amir was hustling pretty darn well last game. Indeed, Cleveland did not even make any shots from the field while he was in last game - just some free throws. But it was inevitable that Curry would not play the guy tonight.

    And JMAX did not play in the 2nd half. We pretty much always lose games where Curry decides he can cut JMAX out of the rotation. Instead of playing the quick guys, JMAX and Amir, he played a rotation of 3 centers - and let their bigs kill us from the outside. I doubt it even ever dawned on Curry what was happening.

    Curry says its too late to change the starters. Really? He changes everything else constantly. He did sub in Kwame early, and then Bynum shortly after. But hey, these subs do nothing. We go from two centers, to two centers. We go from a rookie point guard to a near rookie. It changes up nothing.

    We had a unit of Bynum, Stuckey, Rip, Herrmann - at power forward, and JMAX - at center. For a prolonged period. Herrmann is not a power forward. JMAX is not a center. Rip is not a power forward. Stuckey has not played much shooting guard this year - at least as compared to his point guard minutes. Bynum just started playing a lot the 2nd half of the year. How much more of a mismatched, unplaed unit can you get. Worse, we played this unit while Bron was off the floor. You know, that period we are suppose to gain on them? Not with this group out there.

    Prince. Made some buckets early. Scored 7 points out the gate. Then nothing the rest of the game, as he visibly struggled to move with that back injury.

    Rip, very poor shooting night. He started by guarding Bron, got in foul trouble so Stuckey did the honors in the 3rd. Who knows how well Rip has healed from his groin injury. Me, I doubt he has healed all that well.

    First half, we are completely embarrassed by the stats from our starting duo of Sheed and Dyess. 2-9 shooting, no offensive rebounds, no trips to the foul line. Dyess did manage to hit some of his pansy outside jumpers there in the 3rd, and Sheed managed to hit a three later. But hey, he is injured too, and did not do us that much good in this one.

    Afflalo hit a shot or two, played some decent enough D on Bron - but no, he is not a small forward. Not good use of what he can do. Basically, Curry misused every player on the team, so why not Afflalo too.

    Bynum shot poorly. Made one nice drive in finishing with a reverse.

    Stuckey had too many turns, could not make an outside shot. Bad game. But yet, the opposing guards were nearly shut out, and Stuckey was instrumental in checking Bron in the 3rd quarter.

    As a fan of the Pistons, I say nobody buy tickets anymore until Dumars is fired - and of course, his pal Curry along with him. All we are getting from Dumars at this point are excuses. Nobody showed up tonight. And nobody should show up Sunday for the game. Find someone in Cleveland who you can give your ticket too. Might as well let someone have some fun.
  4. Tha Locstah

    Tha Locstah First Round Draft Pick 1x Fantasy Champion

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    I couldn't agree with you more. If we were talking about a guy to come off the bench in short spurts to give you a spark, he's great but they've got too much invested in Amir. Package him with Tay for a quality big and get another big via FA. Don't plan on getting back to contention next year. I'd like it if Joe did the best he could for next year and still leave cash for D-Wade in 2010. Of course, to get someone like him to come here we would have to at least possess some quality.

    If no major moves are made and before the draft and free agency we're looking at a starting 5 of:
    Kwame
    Max
    Tay
    Rip
    Stuck

    2010 (at least) before we are back in the mix. While waiting for Joe to be patient and make the smart moves that will get us another 'ship I guess my slogan will be "if I made it through teal, I can learn to deal".

    I've figured it out that any frustration I have is left over from knowing we shoulda at least got 2. I can remember it like yesterday, "As long as Sheed covers Horry we'll stop 'em here.........Sheed get Horry........SHEEED, you dumb a**!!! Who did you think was taking that shot!!??!!???".....................oh sorry. Had a flashback.

    I think we all knew this was coming. It's just these past few years (well maybe not last year), the playoffs have been similar to thinking you aced the big test and getting it back with a big fat D. This year there's no let down because I came to grips with the fact that we are an 8th seed months ago.
  5. Ernie the Slow Adult

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    Very nice. :pound:

    This is easy really. DET needs to double CLE and they often get easy shots as a result. The Cavs play man to man on the Pistons, pack the paint, contest shots and have all their guys in to rebound. I don't see upgrading the front court helping with that all that much.

    They played hard, but they're not good enough. Some shorter stretches on the court would help, but it seems every time Curry is trying to set up his minutes the guy he subs in becomes the best player on the court and ends up playing longer than anticipated.

    When was the last time someone had a 9 point quarter and wasn't losing?
  6. roscoe36

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    When have you ever been in touch? Just kidding lee.

    Thanks for the great leecap. I agree that Joe should be on the hot seat. Take it easy.
  7. lapiston

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    We know now where the team is at in terms of personnel so I am not disappointed with the series. Did anyone really expect a sub-500 team to do much against the Cavs? It is time to move on. The great run is over. Do I think the Cavs are that good? No, I do not-- but the Pistons have fallen far and just do not have the personnel. A move here or there by the coach or only if Joe had of done this or that--can't buy it--the decline was coming--see Amygirl's excellent thread. Remember, this team scored less than 70 points. No one on the bench would have made the offense better.

    So what do we have? Not much solid. Rip will probably return. Is Stuckey going to be good enough to be a key player? Hard to say. Afflalo showed that he belongs but will he make a bonafid starter? Bynum's stock went down--only a solid back up. Tay? Who knows. Joe will have to bring in two bigs and a shooter to add to some portion of all of this group.

    Who is gone besides AI? Sheed will be let go unless he was playing very hurt. Dyss may not stay as he can find a better spot elsewhere. Maxiel is just too short and not fast enough--a tweener. Kwame had some moments but I would lean to the might be gone department. Amir is the only one on the roster who did not get a chance to prove what he can do but let's face it, he is not likely a key guy that good bring the Pistons back.

    The summer will be fun.
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    Before POs Sheed & Dice stocks were high enough to get mid level type contract ( 5-6 mil) but this series has proved that they are no more than 20 min per game players and therefore don't be surprised when JD "lowballs" with them - here is vet's minimum - leave or take.

    Kwame picks up his player option for one year and it makes him a nice trade bait when neccessary.

    there are some options for bigs - via trade either Bosh or Chandler or some free agents but this pool now is nothing compared to next year choises. So don't be again surprised when JD decides to play (read: gamble) for nex year market and it may mean - next regular season will be even more turrible.
  9. lpgrl26

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    We know that's not true (see: Darko). There isn't a conspiracy. Curry is just an idiot who can't see what's in front of him.
  10. lpgrl26

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    Such a simple thing that can be easily fixed.

    If Curry's back next year, what little faith i've had in Joe D's "plan" will be gone.
  11. TaS

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    And 8 turnovers for those 2.

    Unreal that we shut their guards down like that, Lebron has a moderate scoring output and we lose handily.

    Too many open J's allowed when we didn't even double.


    But as has been the case all year, our offense is about the worst in the league. Tonight is what happens when that lame offense sees one of the NBA's best defenses. No activity in the paint whatsoever... except for a few nice drives by Stuck (and 1 by Bynum).


    The bright spot was definitely our defense on their guards and Stuckey somehow guarding Bron. Good job. Sheed is just out of gas and Tay is injured. Dyess was nice. Rip did all he could.
  12. lapiston

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    Raxret, interesting thought, but I don't think Joe can afford to wait. This summer is really going to be a show. Get your lineup card ready.

    Tayshawn, right about the offense but consider this, if we go with our youth (and maybe add a bit more defense), we figure to get even less offense. That is the problem with the personnel on the team. It just doesn't match. So we lose 70 to 61 instead. Joe has a LOT of work to do.

    We found out about Sheed and Dyss, yes. But the decline was expected though not this pronounced in Sheed. But the real story is the inability of the youth to step into the void. Many favor this and that player, but as a group, the youth have not shown consistent production especially on offense. Then again, which of them was a high draft pick? I am not even so sure about Stuckey anymore and that is a scary thought because he is supposed to be the basis of the next run. (I think Amygirl has it about right on her thread.)
  13. Ernie the Slow Adult

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    I think DET needs to bring in a young big man like Joe Smith. He had 19 & 10 tonight in under 20 minutes and I think his contract is up this year.
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    I don't know about that. If we are going to shoot 38% from the field, there are tons of offensive rebounds to be had. Sheed has 1 so far in 3 games and not much offensive output.

    In my opinion, we should have one of our offensive rebounding specialists in the game at all times to try to get a few offensive mulligans instead of all this one and done stuff.

    Also, against a lock-down half court defense like Cleveland's, it would be really nice to run a little bit to get some easier points. We need track stars out there, not guys with entire legs bandaged over and multiple knee surgeries. Well, actually it would be nice if we could have them all out there. (Could we beat Cleveland every time if we were allowed to have 6 players on the court? Not sure.)


    And taking the long view, who cares if Dyess and Sheed get 48 more minutes of losing basketball this year before the detonator is pushed? At least give some of the youth some real playoff experience that will make them more prepared in the future.
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    Not saying it would have worked, but wouldn't you have expected that bench lineup that kicked so much butt in the 4th quarter of game 2 to get a crack at Cleveland tonight?
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    I thought Stuckey's defense on LeBron was pretty good and a positive in this game. And yea, I know he still almost put up a triple double... great players will put up numbers regardless. But Rodney made him work hard for his points. When is the last time Prince stripped Lebron going to the rim and then knocked the ball off Bron out of bounds?
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    well this was a weird game from the start. got there 30 minutes before gametime and there were fewer people in the parking lot than for a regular season game. at 6:55 there were MAYBE 7,500 in the stands...and i'd say there was a max of 16,000-17,000 who attended the game. there were some loud and annoying cavs fans but i don't think there was more than 500-1,000 there overall.

    however, it was a very good crowd tonight. they were loud and mostly drowned out the 'M-V-P' chants with boos and such. but, i knew it was a bad omen when the thundersticks were sponsored by a company named 'Cavalier' ... ugh.

    as for the game itself...stuckey played excellent and that's a positive. he guarded lebron most of the game and did a good job. he missed some jumpers but his offense was fine (just wish he would drive more). bynum was awful. sheed has checked out. dice doesn't have the legs to fight for boards. max needs more minutes. how many freaking passes went off tay and rip's hands out-of-bounds? you have to be VERY unfocused to miss all those easy plays. the defense was pretty good tonight.

    i don't get all the complaining about our 2nd quarter unit. we gained a point on them with that unit, and cleveland was extra small (mo williams, delonte west, AND gibson all on the court at once).

    simply put, the officiating is completely unfair, which is not unexpected. in 3 games, we have committed 70 fouls to their 45, lebron james has 2 total fouls, and they have shot 100 FTs to our 40. i don't care how good of defense they play, there is no way they commit half the fouls and should be shooting 2.5 times as many bunnies. lebron nearly TACKLED afflalo on his way to the hoop today with no call. somehow AA was strong enough to still make the basket. but sheesh. the calls are completely one-sided, and although we would be losing these games anyway, it's total garbage and it really annoys me, especially after watching REAL officiating in the NCAA tournament. and in the post-game presser lebron and mike brown were actually complaining about not getting calls?? are you kidding me??

    i also didn't need to witness old people making out. the fight was odd. i dunno what it started from...perhaps spilled beer or something. one guy had his shirt off and a much bigger dude was a couple rows up. they were saying something to each other, and then the bigger dude landed a BEAST of a punch on the shirtless guy and was thrown out. i have absolutely no idea what happened but it was interesting.

    i'll be there sunday watching us get swept. the pistons don't wanna travel back to cleveland.
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    That would be logical so no.
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    This is the question some of us have been asking all season long. If a player comes in and has a positive impact on the game; you play him until the positive impact is no longer there.

    If a player comes in and is not having a positive impact on the game; pull him and try someone else.

    My problem is that we had a rotation that showed signs of having an impact in game two; yet we never tried it in game three IN A LOSS.

    If I am doing something and it is giving me a positive outcome; what sane reason would there be for not trying it again???

    I don't know whether giving the Bynum, AA and AJ lineup some run in this game would have made a difference but nobody knows BECAUSE HE NEVER GAVE IT ANOTHER CHANCE.

    If it worked once; why not try it again to see if it was a fluke or a solution??

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