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Discussion in 'Pistons and NBA' started by BillLaimbeer, May 25, 2016.

  1. basketbills

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    So Banesy is "Bounce"?
     
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    I'm losing my patience with all of you.
    everybody mocked my spelling but your reading comprehension is always compromised
    by your inability to comprehend what's been written.
    A lot of which, was written wrong and you all still couldn't figure it out.
     
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    So...it's not Baynsie?
     
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    No Blue Velvet is Banesy.
     
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    If he was healthy then yeah. But when you can't get on the court, it's hard to be a leader from the scratch list. That was what held Darko back. :stirthepot:
     
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    Do you think Darth Darko had leader potential?
     
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    Hard to lead when you cry like a baby all of the time.
     
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    I'd like Noah. Put him through some tests...leg up the wall etc....before we bring him on board.
     
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    Are you talking about @Darth Tater@Darth Tater or Darko?
     
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    What is the difference? Both have terrible tattoos on their torsos, both use salty language on camera, neither of them gets to play in the NBA ...
     
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    Man, I turn my back for ONE minute...
     
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    Teams youth.....
     
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    are you meaning Darko or Darth here?
     
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    See here now. I have turned over a new leaf (ok a new tree) and I am a kindler gentler Darth. Despite the fact that around four SCUD missles dropped on my head as soon as I entered the building, I will turn the other cheek (the one that wasn't removed by the blast). :granade:
     
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    We missed you and while you were gone couldn't stop talking about you. You're kinda a big deal around here.
     
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    he says he turned a new tree, should we look at it before we judge ?
    maybe I'll just clean-up a few things and walk away.
     
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    Your cynicism is justified and duly noted. :yo:
     
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    I don't remember seeing "Bounce" on the players list for the tournament. Didn't he play for the Atlantis Snipes?
     
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    Just was looking back at the results for the '04 team after they acquired Sheed on defense. Holy crap. I knew it took them over the top, but I had forgotten just how consistently amazing they were on D specifically after his arrival.

    Since he came to the club and was inserted in the starting lineup, they had 25 regular season games. He didn't play in the final game of the season, so here is what happened in the 24 that they had him in the starting lineup.

    Record: 20-4 (2 of the losses were by 1 point, including his first game as a starter)
    Points allowed per game: 78.2 (!!!)
    Games holding opp in the 60s: 7
    Games were opp scored 100 or more: zero

    Best streak:
    DET-OPP
    83-68
    97-66
    86-65
    98-65
    85-69
    89-71 (this was the game where the Nets intentionally fouled to get the ball back to try to stop the Pistons' opp in 60s streak. Nets scored with 1.1 seconds left. Big Ben took offense).
    94-75
    96-76

    That was an 8 game stretch where our opponents averaged in the 60s (69.4 ppg).

    It's pretty unfathomable in hindsight that the experts didn't see that the Pistons could take down the crown. DET and LAL split in the reg season and both games were without Sheed.


    So, then the playoffs arrived and the defensive massacres continued.

    The Bucks fared the best as they averaged 85.6 points en route to 1 win and an elimination. If it wasn't for Redd's insane shooting ability with a man in his face, they would have been in the 60s most games too.
    Here is what that poor team was up against in game 1... welcome to the Playoffs. I have no idea how the Bucks managed to score 82 points in this game. They should get a trophy for that alone. Check out the great sequence that occurs at the 2:51 mark of the video


    My favorite parts of the video are when Laimbeer says "Milwaukee seems to have given up here. Sure, they'll keep shooting the ball, but... oh and there's another steal." Also, at the end he says "Pistons should take a foul here to get the subs in the game [then Ben Wallace takes a charge like some kind of maniac]"

    In round 2, DET had some business to take care of. They needed to avenge the 2003 playoff sweep and then needed to avenge the shenanigans that the Nets pulled in the regular season to break the opponents in the 60s streak. What did we do? We held them to 56 points in game 1 and made sure that they would be forever remembered. To the Nets' credit, they did push the series to a game 7 before they were swept off the map with a 69 point embarrassment.

    Onto round 3. The Pacers came out of the gates hot with an electrifying... 78 points... to beat us in game one. However, we would hold them to 67 points in game 2, 65 points in game 5, and 65 points in game 6. We actually scored 69 points in game 6 and eliminated our opponent. Overall, the Pacers averaged 72.7 against us.

    And then there came the Dream Team Lakers. They themselves finished the regular season on a 19-6 run. But none of that was against DET. In regulation, the Lakers managed to post 75, 89, 68, 80, and 87 points against us to get smothered.

    Overall in the playoffs, the opp ppg average in regulation against us was 78.6.


    We will never witness any defense like this in our remaining lifetimes. And this is the subconscious standard that we will forever hold our teams to. We are were spoiled by that team.

    It's worth noting that LB insisted on a strict man-to-man defense with almost no double teaming. They would trap, but not double. We were OK to let superstars go off on us if they made jumpers and held the role players to minimal tallies. That scheme may have only worked with that personnel.

    In total with Sheed, we played 47 games and no opponents scored 100 in regulation. 13 scored in the 60s. 1 scored in the 50s. Pretty good when you're more likely to give up 56 points than 100 points.

    Here is a very interesting admission by Rick Fox:
    "I knew we'd get exposed. But I remember back in January or December, watching the Detroit Pistons and having the utmost respect for them in the regular season. They held six or seven teams in a row to under 70 points. I was listening to our team and I personally felt we didn't have enough respect for the Pistons. We thought we were going to steamroll them. And that's how we, as a group, behind the scenes, were talking about it."
     
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