Chicago April 4th, 7:30 PM

Discussion in 'April 2007' started by Dlev59, Apr 1, 2007.

  1. roscoe36

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    I don't think they got bamboozled. Chandler was a foul machine compared to Ben.

    There is something to be said for having a veteran player on a young team, someone who has been in the trenches of the NBA Finals, and gets a lot of friendly whistles.

    After seeing Dwyane Wade punk the Mavs in the Finals from the free throw line, a guy who gets friendly whistles is extremely valuable.

    Besides, they paid Ben without going into luxury tax territory, and they structured his annual salary to de-escalate.

    You're also forgetting that Chandler was moved for PJ Brown, another veteran presence and 2 second round picks...
     
  2. Play On Players

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    A thousand pardons, Lee.
     
  3. LA Dre

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    I too agree with TaShawn/Mercury that the bulls could have done just as well by just keeping Chandler. The question is would Skiles have used him the way BScott does in NewOr to have the break out season.

    Would we have been better with Ben? Who knows for sure. The stats say we are better, but the record doesn't indicate it. In the end we may only be 12 games worst than we were last year, but Ben could have been the difference as Roscoe says in the post season.

    Also agree with Mercury...we appear to be a tad slow at key positions to keep up with some teams. CB was just plain embarrassed out there last night and despite the successful three balls by Sheed, he seem slow and aloof especially with the bandaged hands
     
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    That game was flat out embarrasing. All the easy point blank shots from chic, getting out boarded without Ben. No energy or seemingly any will to win. You would think that being down 1-2 in a series with one blowout already would have meant something. Not to mention the fact that it was Bens old team. It meant something to the fans to win that game and its too bad the players did not feel the same way.
     
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    Wonder if the Pistons will get fined for the Palace Punk throwing a lip balm at Tyrus as he was escorted out through the tunnel after he was thrown out.

    Both PTI and Around the Horn spotlighted it, so you wonder if Stern is looking for more ways to take some more money out of Davison's pockets??
     
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    Missed that. I was unfortunate enought to be at the game. Don't know if they showed it on tv or not but Tyrus only acted tough when he was being restrained. Unrestrained he did not want anything to do with Rip and walked away from him.
     
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    Really?

    We call Carmelo, Carmella now for almost that very reason. Should we call Tyrus.......Tyra??:pound:
     
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    Don't know. It was ridiculas. I have not seen anything like that since grade school. You knew and Rip knew that he was not going to do anything. I think thats why Rip kind of taunted him a bit.
     
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    I saw the massive overreaction on PTI. It's not the Pistons' fault that one idiot threw something at Tyrus. TONS of people were hurling stuff at the Pacers during and after the brawl, which was awful...but after two and a half years without any other incidents, one punk throwing something means that there's a "pattern" that the Palace is responsible for? Give me a break.
     
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    I thought the Indy game was a wakeup call, but the Pistons won that game. They got away with poor basketball so they didn't get that wakeup call. I think this slap in the face should do the job.
     
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    The question I have is:

    knowing what they know now, if they could do it over, would they?

    It's obviously working out for them OK this way in the short run, I'm just thinking that they really could have become a 5 year force like the Pistons.

    I think they thought they were sacrificing all of that to go for it this year, and it just didn't pan out as well as they had hoped.

    This year, Ben is:
    6th on the Bulls in Roland Rating
    5th in production
    13th in on court, off court +/-

    With the Pistons last year (a better reg season team), he was:
    3rd in Roland
    2nd in production
    3rd in +/-

    Is that not a steep drop off?

    The Bulls defense gave up an eFG% of .426 last year compared to .477 this year. They only gave up 3 more free throws per game last year.


    I don't want to get too carried away, because I still believe that he may be conserving energy and playing to not get injured. He must have another gear he can go to and is saving it for the playoffs, cause this has not been the Ben we all knew and loved.

    Here is an interesting article in support of him:

    Neutralizing the Shot Blocker
     
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    None of this alleviated any of my previous fears. Taking any piece of the Pistons for their own was proactively mean.
     
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    Thanks for the apology, I guess. lol. None called for. Sorry if my post had a harsh tone to it. I did not mean it too.
     
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    they could easily solve this by just putting up a see-through net over that portion of the walkway...That way...people won't even bother throwing something if there's no chance to hit anyone.
     
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    I was there too. In an unrelated incident behind the backboard near the Stones bench, a fan who was obviously drunk, was gripping a fresh, large Brew. Only minutes into the second quarter his language and threatening behavior caused enough uproar to have several red jackets escort he and his friend away for the remainder of the game.

    I question the Palace guidelines governing sale of alcohol. Don't know that it contributed to lip balm hurling but, but....
     
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    The security at the palace is pathetic...too many drunks and not enough control.

    I have mentioned before an altercation I had with a drunken fan that nearly caused a fist fight. I was with my young son and went to ask an usher to get security...they came 1/2 hour later which did no good because the drunken fool had slunk off somewhere by then.

    Any reputation of poor fan behavior at the Palace is deserved. Fans ...especially the drunks...are allowed to get out of control.
     
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    95% of sporting arena crowd problems can be solved by simply not selling alcohol. Its not needed, you can get by for 2.5 hours without having a drink.

    At $8 a glass beer sales are not going to be curtailed anytime soon. It gets real bad during the playoffs.
     
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    About the only positive spin I can put on that game to excuse it was that it was the 5th game in 7 days.

    Seems like everytime the Pistons played the Bulls there was always something going on. Team not playing well, guys out, get them like this one after a busy stretch. The playoffs are going to be much different if we see them.
     
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    I think we're witinessing a changing of the guard... the Bulls are no longer intimidated by the Pistons (Ben's biggest attribute).... Joe is going to have to push some magic buttons this summer.... in previous years status quo was in order for just minor tweaking... this year a power shift in the East is evident... not just because the Bulls seem to have our number but other young teams like the Raps are on the rise.
    Some of these young up-n-comming teams are a veteran away from becomming a serious playoff contender... possibly trading partners for some of their young talent.
     
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    Funny how the Bulls seem to have leapfrogged the Cavs, and quite possibly us too. The combination of Thomas and Nocioni could wind up being more than we can handle.
     

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