Discussion in 'December 2013' started by roscoe36, Oct 21, 2013.
can't beat him, we should have signed him....
Might as well put Mo freaking Williams on the list too then.
What's the over and under on how many 3 pointers Joe Johnson will make tonight? I guess it depends on who is not trying to guard him...
I think Singler should guard him.
I say Johnson shoots an efficient 9 for 15, and ends up with 27 points.
Between traveling last night and having to go against Singler tonight there's no way Joe Johnson slept a wink.
Can't sleep when you're giddy with excitement.
Speaking of pick & rolls tearing us apart, I'm not looking forward to February when we'll play the Spurs twice.
Ohhh Wilbon just said he thinks the bigs of the Pistons beat up the Nets tired legs and Pistons win! Lets go baby
Brook Lopez is questionable.
Brook Lopez out for Brooklyn Nets - ESPN New York
We got a break here. But can we make full use of the this advantage.
What was that phrase: If it ain't rough it ain't right? That was unnecessarily ugly but that wasn't Singler's fault. The offense looked so much better with Billups in there. Jennings played poor down the stretch.
Good Pistons, bad Pistons. This season so far and this time, in this game.
Again: how else to put it: this Piston team, at present, has no crunch time offense. Stuckey, who again had a good game, cannot get it down in crunch time. Jennings, at this stage, is not a clutch shooter--has shown just the opposite. It takes too long to get the ball down to Monroe especially without good point guard play that most good teams have. And Josh is good Josh, bad Josh.
The Piston crunch time offense is give it to Stuckey to go one on one. Jennings dribbling, can't penetrate, and can't create a good shot. Well, give it to Josh to go one on one. Try and get it to Monroe--if you can. The Pistons do not have good one on one players yet that is what the team goes to in crunch time. Sure, some of this is the personnel. Some of it is youth. But some of this lies on the coach. Even weak teams muster some ball movement.
More crunch time: The Piston do not even have a reliable out of bounds play at either end!
The good: Monroe was solid, good. Drummond was spectacular at times and hit free throws. Stuckey was really good again--this is a new, mature Stuckey. He is almost Rip-like from the mid-range most of the game. But coach, he has never been a crunch time player and teams can crowd him in crunch time.
Also good to see was Monroe and Drummond both having big games together. This is a good sign that they can coexist.
Sheed needs to work with Josh and reign his game in and teach him how to shoot from certain spots on the floor.
Brooklyn is just too slow. Even with Lopez, they will not have much team speed. Garnett and Pierce do not have that much left in the tank looks like.
Pistons led by 17 at the half and 18 at the end of three, but had to sweat it out in the end to secure the victory and won by four, 103-99. You hold them under 100....you should win the game.
We still need to figure out how to close out a tight game and with Jennings dribbling the ball into submission and Josh playing out of sync focus the whole game, we almost gave this one away ala the Laker game three weeks ago. Like that game we were stuck on 98 for what seem like an eternity. The Pistons opened the 4th with a 3 ball by Singler to open a 21 point lead and then watched the Nets go on 14-3 run to get back in the game and eventually came within 2 points on a 3 by Pierce with less than 15 seconds left.
Our two coveted free agents were a combined 6 for 27 and were still trying to shoot when it was apparent that we were winning the game without their shooting contributions. Like in the last game while our bigs were in the paint, the opposition had a big man nailing threes....some scrub by the name of Mirza Teltovic hit 5 of 6 three pointers, including 4 in the 4th to get the Nets back in it. Of course Williams got his, but good was we were able to contain Joe Johnson and not let him or the future HOF former Celtics beat us.
Stuckey took over in the second quarter to get us the big half time lead with 16 points.....but missed all of his shots in the second half only scoring one point.
With Lopez sitting out the game with the ankle injury, Moose and Dre took advantage and combined for 44 pts and 24 boards. The Pistons were out three balled to the tune of 12 to 3 (36-9), but controlled the paint 60-38. Nice to see Billups out there getting the Pistons going in the second qtr and then settling them down in the last minute. Dre hit 6 free throws in a row at one point, so there is a positive there.
Great win to end our three game slide and stop their three game win streak.
Coach went right back to his main agenda there in the 2nd half. How long can he get away with playing Singler. People, in some cases, seem not to want to see it - but take time to study our defensive plays when Singler is in the game. You will quickly notice a pattern - Singler gets nothing accomplished. Nice that he scored 16 in this one, but his defense gave up well over 20 points. Singler was only minus 2 in this one, because as Singler gave up the points in the first half, Stuckey was knocking down a series of tough shots.
Harrellson was plus 18 in the first half. And yet, he did not see floor time in the 2nd half. He was plus 10 while in for the 2nd half of the 2nd quarter with most of the starters out there. In the 2nd half, obviously, if your goal is to win the game, you bring in Harrellson as the first sub when resting Drummond. Bringing in Singler, a do nothing defensive player, for Drummond? Very, very questionable coaching.
Lots of good stuff. Jennings had a fine game, as the ball kept going inside where it was suppose to be. Forget double doubles, Moose and Dre both had monster 20 -10 games. Smith added a 10 / 6 with 6 assists.
Our front line rebounded great, with our 3 starters totalling 30. Singler, in contrast, hauled in 2 rebounds while playing 23 minutes subbing for those 3. And one was completely uncontested. Compare that to the countless times he was suppose to be in a play around the hoop but was just spectating instead.
First half, Stuckey was in a zone. On his shooting, a unit of Billups, Stuckey, Singler, Monroe (later Drummond), Jorts, managed to go plus 5. To be specific, we started out poorly, down 14 - 8, we brought it to just 3 down though, before any bench players came in. For quite a while, our bench treaded water, but got a run going later.
The story of the game, the most important thing we saw - was Dre knocking down 6 straight free throws. Six straight right down the pipe, with minimal rattling around as they went down. If that trend continues, Dre will be a monster inside. And if that other trend continues too, Andre making shots when we post him up, All - Star is going to be written all over him.
No Lopez in this one for Brooklyn. But it was still great to see Monroe operate so well on postups. (and finishing fast breaks against some defensive pressure at the hoop.)
Jorts impressed me a lot when he drove in down the middle, and dumped the ball off to Dre. (I think Dre made those two resulting freebies, and that started his streak.)
Billups did not score. But he had five assists to no turns, and kept the offense organized while in. It sure would be great if he could start scoring a little.
Initially, Smith made some shots that looked very questionable, but soon, he, and the rest of the team, settled down into making sure the ball went inside.
I still see very little purpose to Monroe trying to establish an outside shot. Sure, it would be nice if he had one, but I say if you can post up as well as Monroe, not one possession should ever be wasted shooting an outside shot. Outside shots by Monroe will never cause a foul on their front line, are much less likely to rebounded since Monroe is not at the basket to get that rebound, and further - if Monroe is posting up, a lot of opposing players must stay pinned under the basket to try to stop him - negating a lot of fast breaks by them.
Let someone else shoot the outside shot to spread the floor. Pope did well in that regard, hitting a triple in each half to make sure he was always addressed by their defense. One of Pope's triples was exactly what we want, off a pass from Monroe after he had drawn the defense to him.
Lets contrast the 2 halves. In the first, Singler was in for 7 minutes, and we won the first half by 17 points. In the 2nd half, we played Singler 16 minutes, and we lost the 2nd half by 13. By overplaying Singler, it made a difference of 30 points. to the negative. And yet, all I hear is praise for Singler. I do not get that at all. I thought Detroit fans were fans of defense. Which Singler simply does not play.
Stuckey was continually cut off from driving in - because the other team knows full well he will finish if they let him inside. So he pulled up time and again and nailed the jumper. One of those jumpers was a pretty nice fade. And he made one longer range shot from just inside the 3 point line.
Nice to stop that losing streak. Next up is a tough, hot streaking Portland team. Coach, I hope, will review some film, and decide to put winning as his priority for this next game. Because if he does not, and instead keeps as top priority playing Singler, we will be in trouble.
Would have like to have seen JORTS get some of Josh's minutes in the second half. Just wondering if he would have played Teletovic tighter and chased him out to the perimeter?? At least two of three ball makes were made because Smith was in the paint looking else where..and there was a late Smith diving for the block.
It's unfortunate for all the good that Singler seem to be doing on the offensive end, the biggest Nets run came when he was out there on the floor in the 4th qrt...
Having had little opportunity to actually watch the Pistons this season so far, I was happy to catch the last six minutes or so at the end of this game, starting when the Pistons were up by 10, 96 to 86 or something like that.
FAR too many of the possessions in crunch time finished with Brandon Jennings isoing at the top of the key, then settling for a mid-range fade-away jumper of some type. It's like the Pistons forgot how to run an offense and kept trying to get the ball in Jennings' hands. Jennings, for his part, seemed to be where ball movement went to die - he didn't appear to think that he HAD to carry the team, he wanted to carry the team. The problem was that he clearly is not the type of shooter that should be carrying the team in crunch time (or by shooting in general).
It's like Cheeks isn't even coaching at all.
Always nice to read indepth recaps of the game.
Jennings might be Ok when we are behind and his last minute hot shooting has kept us close, but we need to have Billups running the offense in crunch time...if the game is close and we are trying to nurse and extend a lead.
He sees the floor better and can either find the open man or penetrate and get to the line...well at least he use to. Cheeks just need to use Billups experience in playing in crunch time and let Jennings watch and learn from it.
You are being very polite. It was not fortune, but the lack of any ability by Singler to play defense that caused the continuous defensive breakdowns while he was in there in the 4th quarter.
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